Possibly the silliest thread ever....

5starpool

Ok, something that entered my head yesterday and I have been wondering about it vaguely a few times since. Would you take this offer in a tournament?

You can have AsAc every hand in a tournament, and everyone knows this, but you can only call bets, not raise or bet first. You can also fold when you want to.

Potentially this is an extremely silly thread, but if there is anyone willing to throw some serious comments in and reasons I would be interested to read it at least. There is serious potential for MUBS here.

Comments? Ridicule? Scorn?

eoghan104

5starpool wrote:

Ok, something that entered my head yesterday and I have been wondering about it vaguely a few times since. Would you take this offer in a tournament?

You can have AsAc every hand in a tournament, and everyone knows this, but you can only call bets, not raise or bet first. You can also fold when you want to.

Potentially this is an extremely silly thread, but if there is anyone willing to throw some serious comments in and reasons I would be interested to read it at least. There is serious potential for MUBS here.

Comments? Ridicule? Scorn?

Bit silly really lets be honest. You couldnt actually win like this unless playing monkeys!

Mellor

It wouldn't be hard to beat this person (magic AA guy) really, check to the river, you know his holding exactly so you never need to risk chips until you have can beat a pair.

As for the guy dealt AA, your only hope in all-in pre flop,

All Noise, No Signal

shoutman

Yes possibly is the silliest thread ever and no I would not take this offer in a tournament, it would make absolutely no sense to play a tournament with everyone knowing your holding, people will only bet when they have you beaten, seeing as you can only call bets it will lead to most people checking it down with you unless they have you beaten, you would just be folding for the most part and not calling raises as unless they are stupid they would have you beat (there is no point of bluffing someone when you know what their cards are and you will continue to know what their cards are for the duration of their tournament life).

ocallagh

I know a few who would try bluffing. probably roundtower, joeshow and player x.

delanec8

Surely there is a mod on duty here:D

EDIT: In before lock

Hectorjelly

shoutman wrote:

people will only bet when they have you beaten, seeing as you can only call bets it will lead to most people checking it down with you unless they have you beaten, you would just be folding for the most part and not calling raises as unless they are stupid they would have you beat (there is no point of bluffing someone when you know what their cards are and you will continue to know what their cards are for the duration of their tournament life).

Dont you think that if the AA guy started folding a lot people could bluff? Surely it makes sense to bluff people more often when you know what they have so you can be sure they dont have the nuts?

shoutman

But what is the point of bluffing him when you know sooner or later you are going to get him anyway.... surely everyone can just keep betting into him and he'd have to think that he is beaten.... either way it is a simple answer to the question.

No I would not like everybody to know that I get aces every hand of this tournament.

Hectorjelly

shoutman wrote:

But what is the point of bluffing him when you know sooner or later you are going to get him anyway.... surely everyone can just keep betting into him and he'd have to think that he is beaten.... either way it is a simple answer to the question.

??? What you are saying makes no sense. If you wait until you have his hand beat what will stop him from folding that time?

5starpool

On a 10 handed table (for example) how many people would call preflop just to try to outdraw the Aces? There would probably be less raising preflop, but I would imagine certain players would raise preflop at times to thin the field, knowing the AA will (probably) never fold preflop, and then at times try to bluff the board at some point if it is sufficiently scary. This is where the decisions get somewhat interesting for the AA.

If everyone limped and noone bet until they were sure they beat the AA, then of course this would be a pointless exercise. There is also the possibility that AA could improve on later streets even if behind at some point against a single opponent.

phantom_lord

would the best play for the aces not be to just go all pf every hand for the whole tournament?

5starpool

phantom_lord wrote:

would the best play for the aces not be to just go all pf every hand for the whole tournament?

I presume you are missing an 'in' from your post above. The AA can only call or fold.

phantom_lord

yeah, I just reread the first post after I wrote that. too late to edit it now :rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd

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5starpool

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

It's good to see the mods taking a lead in upping the number of content heavy threads around here...:p

Well, with input such as this from a quality poster like yourself Lloyd, this place has a bright future. :rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd

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ntlbell

5starpool wrote:

Well, with input such as this from a quality poster like yourself Lloyd, this place has a bright future. :rolleyes:

Take it easy, We're running out of people who fold AA and post the hands to be rediculed

sikes

i would prefer one card and for the player not to know what it is than for AA and them knowing.

BobSloane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_poker

I too would rather take sikes route with only one unknown card

cardshark202

How about this:

You get dealt two random cards and you can only fold, call or raise any bet

Jesus Wept

5starpool wrote:

Ok, something that entered my head yesterday and I have been wondering about it vaguely a few times since. Would you take this offer in a tournament?

You can have AsAc every hand in a tournament, and everyone knows this, but you can only call bets, not raise or bet first. You can also fold when you want to.

Potentially this is an extremely silly thread, but if there is anyone willing to throw some serious comments in and reasons I would be interested to read it at least. There is serious potential for MUBS here.

Comments? Ridicule? Scorn?

One condition:

If I could have the chief to my right with endless chips, neither of us ever moving table/seat.

Of course, this would mean at best you could get 2nd place. You would likely get busted out the first time he decided to call your first allin
with his A6.

Marq

move up levels.

Goodluck2me

Would this get moved to the high strategy forum?

Goodluck2me

cardshark202 wrote:

How about this:

You get dealt two random cards and you can only fold, call or raise any bet

you cant bet yourself?

Jesus Wept

goodluck2me wrote:

Would this get moved to the high strategy forum?

There isn't a forum high enough to house it!!

Flushdraw

While we're in a silly thread (Thanks Dom:p ) What about a tournament where everybody is dealt their cards face up so you can see what everyone else holds..Not sayin that its a good idea or anything but i've heard people discussing this before. I'd try in when i'm drunk some night and have €50 to spare!

Jesus Wept

Flushdraw wrote:

While we're in a silly thread (Thanks Dom:p ) What about a tournament where everybody is dealt their cards face up so you can see what everyone else holds..Not sayin that its a good idea or anything but i've heard people discussing this before. I'd try in when i'm drunk some night and have €50 to spare!

sounds like fun!

Marq

Dev once said that he believed a lot of omaha hands would play out the same way if the cards were dealt face up.

Hectorjelly

What id like to see is a tournament where you get back your equity every time your all in, rather than dealing it out. For example you get all in with a pair against AK, you get 55% of the pot back. Only problem is it might take some time!

Jesus Wept

Hectorjelly wrote:

What id like to see is a tournament where you get back your equity every time your all in, rather than dealing it out. For example you get all in with a pair against AK, you get 55% of the pot back. Only problem is it might take some time!

some interesting ideas here!

5starpool

Flushdraw wrote:

While we're in a silly thread (Thanks Dom:p ) What about a tournament where everybody is dealt their cards face up so you can see what everyone else holds..Not sayin that its a good idea or anything but i've heard people discussing this before. I'd try in when i'm drunk some night and have €50 to spare!

I remember Peter Doherty says a couple of months back that there is a Charity tournie like this taking place in the Fitz in November or something? It even has a World Cahmpion title attached I think. I know of no more details than that though I'm afraid.

BobSloane

Hectorjelly wrote:

What id like to see is a tournament where you get back your equity every time your all in, rather than dealing it out. For example you get all in with a pair against AK, you get 55% of the pot back. Only problem is it might take some time!

Some hyper-unlucky poker nit loser that always gets his Aces cracked is probably designing such a site right now. utopianpokerthatsfair.com

DeVore

Marq wrote:

Dev once said that he believed a lot of omaha hands would play out the same way if the cards were dealt face up.

I'm not sure if I meant if *I* was playing or not


To be honest, I wouldnt disagree with that statement a lot even now... Imagine bare aces vs 789T ds... I bet the aces would still get it in as fast as before.

DeV.

DeVore

HJ, I've often thought that that would be cool! I bet Phil "if it werent for luck I'd win every time" Helmouth would play.

DeV.

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

What id like to see is a tournament where you get back your equity every time your all in, rather than dealing it out. For example you get all in with a pair against AK, you get 55% of the pot back. Only problem is it might take some time!

Can I get those odds with pockets 2s against AKs? Actually Hellmuth would want AKo woudlln't he?

A guy in Vegas wanted to play me heads up for a $1000 because he thought it would show that AKs is not the favourite.

RoundTower

Hectorjelly wrote:

What id like to see is a tournament where you get back your equity every time your all in, rather than dealing it out. For example you get all in with a pair against AK, you get 55% of the pot back. Only problem is it might take some time!

Someone on 2+2 made a program to go through your PT hands and tell you how you would have done if you got your equity back in all all in hands. This should allow you to find your true winrate much quicker.