Quick Live Hand - Easy fold?

BigCityBanker

Villian is Chief who is playing c.600 and I cover.

Im in CO with Ac10c, Chief is sitting to my immediate right.

After a number of limpers the Chief pots it to 15, I call.

Flop 10d 4s 2s, Chief bets pot of ~50. I think about it for a few moments and call.

Turn 7c, Chief bets 100, I fold.

standard?

El Stuntman

let me get this straight:

you get the flop you want and call a PSB. Why not raise the flop?

then the turn bricks out and you fold to a 2/3 PSB?

if you have him on an overpair, why call the flop bet?

explain yourself!!

BigCityBanker

El Stuntman wrote:

let me get this straight:

you get the flop you want and call a PSB. Why not raise the flop?

then the turn bricks out and you fold to a 2/3 PSB?

if you have him on an overpair, why call the flop bet?

explain yourself!!

You see I already know ive played the hand badly to this point - just cos ive made mistakes thus far it doesnt mean I need to magnify them by paying him off with TPTK.

Hectorjelly

I dont get this at all. The chief I know doesnt slow down, I dont know why you would fold in this instance. I hate a flop raise though

BigCityBanker

Hectorjelly wrote:

I dont get this at all. The chief I know doesnt slow down, I dont know why you would fold in this instance. I hate a flop raise though

This is interesting - what do you suppose we are beating if we get to showdown?

MrPillowTalk

I would have raised pre flop but since you called calling the flop is fine as you want him to bet the turn, now ship it in.

eoghan104

Why call the flop though? I dont think Check calling against the Chief here is terrible but i you do it on the flop you have to keep going! He does this with AK/AQ all the time!

LuckyLloyd

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Hectorjelly

BigCityBanker wrote:

This is interesting - what do you suppose we are beating if we get to showdown?

A bluff? The chief bluffs far too much and basically never stops betting once he starts. I havent played with him in a while though, I hope he hasnt turned over a new leaf

El Stuntman

Hectorjelly wrote:

A bluff? The chief bluffs far too much and basically never stops betting once he starts. I havent played with him in a while though, I hope he hasnt turned over a new leaf

two respected Boardsies told me last week "the Chief is playing quite well these days"

I didn't believe them

Hectorjelly

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

55 - 99; AK - AJ; KQ; KJ; K10 - J10.

And yeah, sometimes he will have you beat. But I think it is profitable over time against him if you ship it in on the turn.

Haha, I think you can probably increase that range

BigCityBanker

MrPillowTalk wrote:

I would have raised pre flop but since you called calling the flop is fine as you want him to bet the turn, now ship it in.

wow, i never ship it in here.

Surely in this hand I am only getting called by a hand that beats me?

Am I being way too nitty?

LuckyLloyd

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BigCityBanker

Hectorjelly wrote:

A bluff? The chief bluffs far too much and basically never stops betting once he starts. I havent played with him in a while though, I hope he hasnt turned over a new leaf

Lately i have found he will shut down on the turn oop if he is bluffing and is called on the flop. This is one of the reasons i called behind on the flop as I thought his line on the turn would let me know more about where I stood in this hand.

I suppose it may be worth noting that withing the last 20mins ive raked in a €1,650 pot when Chief paid my set with his top two. I can see that he is still hurting somewhat from that hand so I dont expect him to fire another barrell here unless his hand can withstand it.

Hectorjelly

BigCityBanker wrote:

wow, i never ship it in here.

Surely in this hand I am only getting called by a hand that beats me?

Am I being way too nitty?

Just call and then call any bet on the turn and any bet on the river, if you push all in it makes him hard to call with worse, but if you play it passively he will pay you off with literally anything. If you were playing a Tight sensible guy your line would make sense.

eoghan104

BigCityBanker wrote:

Lately i have found he will shut down on the turn oop if he is bluffing and is called on the flop. This is one of the reasons i called behind on the flop as I thought his line on the turn would let me know more about where I stood in this hand.

I suppose it may be worth noting that withing the last 20mins ive raked in a €1,650 pot when Chief paid my set with his top two. I can see that he is still hurting somewhat from that hand so I dont expect him to fire another barrell here unless his hand can withstand it.

Do you not think the fact that he lost that big pot may have him "chasing" as the auld lads say and therefore making him more inclined to bluff?

BigCityBanker

Hectorjelly wrote:

If you were playing a Tight sensible guy your line would make sense.

I accept that he is spewy but that surely doesnt mean that he cant have a hand here? For him to fire another barrell on the turn like this I think we can assign him a range of

22 / 44 / 77 / 1010+ / A10 combos / K10 combos / Qs10s / Js10s / AsKs / AsQs / AsJs / Absolute Air.

At I push you could make a case for including 88 / 99 as he may well put me on a FD having hesitantly called his flop bet - I dont think it is fair to put it in his range tho. Chief doesnt raise 56 or 89 preflop imo.

how does my hand look againt this range?

ligger

I think him only betting 2/3 of pot on the turn is weakness. I call and see if he can fire the 3rd barrell, defo think you are in front a large % of the time here.

cooker3

BigCityBanker wrote:

Am I being way too nitty?

Awaits phantom lord response

BigCityBanker

eoghan104 wrote:

Do you not think the fact that he lost that big pot may have him "chasing" as the auld lads say and therefore making him more inclined to bluff?

I dont think he is currently sufficiently rolled to be playing this LAG.

Jimmy Hoffa

Jaysus bcb if he just losta big 1650 pot hell be steaming.He goes on monkey tilt when he loses a few pots so call him down and take him to the cleaners totally.I can definitely see him pumping it with nothing however failed poker thinking here u have no real need to get involved with 1 pair.And if u continue in teh game you willhave better oppurtunities to stack him.

El Stuntman

BCB, any chance that you have already mentally banked a nice profit for the session and made a sub-optimal decision as a result?

Glowingmind

El Stuntman wrote:

two respected Boardsies told me last week "the Chief is playing quite well these days"

I didn't believe them

Scary as it may seem, he appears to have changed his game a bit. It certainly seems he's put the breaks on a bit in terms of his continuation bets, and his bet sizing. Was at a table with him for about an hour in the double chance on saturday night, and he said himself he's startd playing fewer hands. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing for the rest of us.

eoghan104

Jesus would the chief no what a roll is? hes obviousley a changed man. I still think there was a chance hes steaming here and id call him down.

OT but ive been looking for the result and cant find it. Did Indian Ink win?

El Stuntman

eoghan104 wrote:

OT but ive been looking for the result and cant find it. Did Indian Ink win?

don't mention the war

HiCloy

eoghan104 wrote:

OT but ive been looking for the result and cant find it. Did Indian Ink win?

2nd, beaten a neck by a 25/1 shot in the prep race. Now 16/1 for the 2000 Guineas in 2 weeks

As for the poker, normally I'd fold but no idea how he'd react to losing a €1650 pot

BigCityBanker

El Stuntman wrote:

BCB, any chance that you have already mentally banked a nice profit for the session and made a sub-optimal decision as a result?

I dont think so. I continued to play for 4 hours after raking in the big one.

I dont like to use the excuse of having plenty of chips in front of me for making a bad call i.e. I dont like to think along the lines of "ah sure I can afford to call". I dont think this makes me shut down tho - I like to think i continue to play my optimal game (laughs at implications of last sentence).

cooker3 wrote:

Awaits phantom lord response

lol, ive just opened an account with the SN BigNittyBanker, inspired by PL.

eoghan104 wrote:

OT but ive been looking for the result and cant find it. Did Indian Ink win?

please do not start me on the abilities of Miss R Hughes (7)

eoghan104

BigCityBanker wrote:

please do not start me on the abilities of Miss R Hughes (7)

Dont tell me she was on him? was this not a Group Race?

BigCityBanker

eoghan104 wrote:

Dont tell me she was on him? was this not a Group Race?

I am referring to Richard Hughes - he rides like a woman claiming 7 tho.

eoghan104

BigCityBanker wrote:

I am referring to Richard Hughes - he rides like a woman claiming 7 tho.

Jesus i thought It was some lady apprentice claimer!!!

Richie is Topman when it comes to Windsor though. He is a bit of a girl though.

careca

eoghan104 wrote:

Jesus i thought It was some lady apprentice claimer!!!

Richie is Topman when it comes to Windsor though. He is a bit of a girl though.

Interesting as he is being well backed for the last tonight at Windsor (Spiderback).

for the mods, I'd fold

valor

Dont know villain but

seems like a straightforward call given his reputation

raising anywhere seems bad

Lissavalley

Don't know villain but I prefer a raise on the flop.

As played the 100 turn bet seems weak, but I probably still fold here. Don't want to go broke on 1 pair.

phantom_lord

raising is really bad.


after all I've heard about the chief I'd just call him down here.

BigCityBanker

BigCityBanker wrote:

I accept that he is spewy but that surely doesnt mean that he cant have a hand here? For him to fire another barrell on the turn like this I think we can assign him a range of

22 / 44 / 77 / 1010+ / A10 combos / K10 combos / Qs10s / Js10s / AsKs / AsQs / AsJs / Absolute Air.

At I push you could make a case for including 88 / 99 as he may well put me on a FD having hesitantly called his flop bet - I dont think it is fair to put it in his range tho. Chief doesnt raise 56 or 89 preflop imo.

how does my hand look againt this range?

Can anybody pump the above range into one of those funky calculator thingys?

phantom_lord

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

  27,720  games     0.031 secs   894,193  games/sec

Board: Td 4s 2s 7c
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	49.946%  	45.73% 	04.22% 	         12675 	     1170.00   { TT+, 77, 44, 22, ATs+, KTs, QTs, JTs, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo }
Hand 1: 	50.054%  	45.83% 	04.22% 	         12705 	     1170.00   { ATo }

Hectorjelly

lol - you cant include absolute air as that includes every possible hand. Against the others you are about a 66% fav though

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

4,312 games 0.016 secs 269,500 games/sec

Board: Td 4s 2s 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.408% 63.45% 02.96% 2736 127.50 { AcTc }
Hand 1: 33.592% 30.64% 02.96% 1321 127.50 { 55+, AsKs, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T7s+, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T8o+ }

I included all pairs above 55

BuChan

how many hands has it been since you won the pot from him? the chief ALWAYS tries to win the next few pots he plays with pure aggression, absolute air is a possibility, any pair in the hand overcards and any 10 are possiblilities. he also takes losing personally and could have been trying to win a pot from you specifically but would have shown a complete bluff after you folded if that were the case. i personally can't fold here if he has an overpair pay him off, the chances of being beat are certainly slim enough for it to be the winnning choice. i wouldn't reaise the turn or the flop just call him down, you're probably good.

BigCityBanker

Chief showed As10s

El Stuntman

BigCityBanker wrote:

Chief showed As10s

lol, he woulda flushed upon the river anyways....

semibluff

to say the chief is not prop bank rolled to play that LAG i can safely say he is barely thinking past the flop, never mind what he's eating tomorow. He has an unique sense for weakness (something which a newbie may lay down strong hands to) and the turn bet had to be expected. Bar a read i call to the river

jbravado

Just saw this thread now.

The good thing about playing the chief is he WILL pay you when you have a hand-there is no need to force the issue.Also there is no reason why he cant have a real hand in this spot he will play an overpair pretty much the same way.

I might call the turn but only if I am 100% committed to calling the inevitable bet on the river-I think without a definite read a fold here is best.I have no doubt you will find a better spot especially if hes a bit steamed up.

Jesus Wept

This is a win-win situation.

You either win the hand, or you have the honour of getting chiefed!

Flushdraw

Was talking to the chief tonight and he brought this hand up. He was amazed that you folded although he seems to think you folded on the flop to a 60 bet

BigCityBanker

Flushdraw wrote:

Was talking to the chief tonight and he brought this hand up. He was amazed that you folded although he seems to think you folded on the flop to a 60 bet

nah, i deffo called fiddy on the flop and folded to 100 on the turn.