Reversing the car

Glenman

My brother says that when reversing (for a fairly long distance) you can remove your seat belt and turn around to your side, look back and put your left arm across the back of the passenger seat with only your right hand on the steering wheel.
Is this true?
If you are only reversing a short distance (like in a three point turn) can you do this? Or would you have both hands on the wheel and reverse using the mirrors?

feylya

Never remove your seat belt and always have both hands on the wheel.

Jimoslimos

feylya wrote:

Never remove your seat belt and always have both hands on the wheel.

Eh? Its pefectly acceptable to remove your seatbelt when performing any reversing manouevere (even during a test) As long as you remember to put it back on again;)

duckmusic

I had an argument with my friend last night about this. I was almost sure you can look around you when reversing, but he said you had to use your mirrors. Now i don't really know, but am still leaning on the its OK turn around and look side of the fence

Stark

Perfectly okay to look around you while reversing during the driving test but it might be easier to just use the mirrors as you'll also have to keep checking what's coming from other directions.

Taking off your seatbelt is a different story altogether. I'd imagine they'll fail you if you do that.

I don't see why you'd need to put your left arm across the passenger seat, unless you were making a move on your tester.

Cheese Princess

I got lots of lessons before my test last November and my instructor told me to look around in all directions (as well as using the mirors) when reversing. I did that in the test and I passed.
Don't think you should take off the belt though - even if it's allowed, you might forget to put it back on.

Glenman

Thanks, but do you keep both hands on the steering while reversing? It would be difficult to look through the back window with both hands on the steering

Mr. Presentable

Both hands on the wheel, seat belt on. Turn the passenger side mirror down a bit so you can watch the corner of the kerb as you turn. Helps a lot!

But also plenty of checking blind spots as well as behind.

bonkey

I'm amazed at how many different ways you guys get taught to drive in Ireland! Is it just a case of doing whatever your driving instructor (professional or amateur) tells you, but that in the test there's no real rules?

I know that over here in Switzerland the logic is as follows:

- Unless reversing into a parking-space, use the back window. This gives the best visibility of what is directly in the direction you are travelling. It also means that you are not relying on your brain correctly processing a mirror-image for steering corrections.

- Unbuckle your seat belt. Whilst using the back window, you also need to check the front window every 3-4 seconds* You unbuckle your seat-belt to ensure that at no time will your movements be impeded.

- Because you have your seat-belt unbuckled, and are typically driving with only one hand on the wheel (as well as other factors) you should not reverse faster than walking speed.

- You can put your arm behind the head-rest of the opposite seat. This can aid your stability whilst switching between looking out the rear and front windows, as well as minimising muscle-stress from this position.


* We drive on the right in Switzerland. However, to (reverse along the road), you cross to the left side of the road, so that yoru car is travelling *with* the direction of traffic. Thus, whilst travelling backwards you need to check your front window to make sure there isn't any oncoming traffic. If there is, you should stop completely at the earliest opportunity to allow them to pass.

Whether I'd fail for doing something else...I don't know. I don't intend to find out

Stark

bonkey wrote:

I'm amazed at how many different ways you guys get taught to drive in Ireland! Is it just a case of doing whatever your driving instructor (professional or amateur) tells you, but that in the test there's no real rules?

That's it really. You're relying on what your instructor tells you, which may or may not be correct. There are rules that the testers use for assessing you, but they're not published anywhere. As if the rules to safe correct driving are meant to be kept a secret.

timmywex

the mirrors give a false distance, so you have to look back for distance perception

bonkey

Stark wrote:

There are rules that the testers use for assessing you, but they're not published anywhere. As if the rules to safe correct driving are meant to be kept a secret.

Crazy. I'm guessing its so people don't learn "just what can be examined", but still...crazy.

Dave!

My dad also taught me that you can take off your seat-belt when reversing, but I'm not sure that's true. If you get hit by another car, it won't matter if you're reversing or not, you'll still be f*cked out the window. Although I suppose seatbelts are most effective in head-on collisions, but I doubt the legislation is as presumptive as that TBH. It's not necessary to take off your belt to turn around, just loosen it a bit.

If anyone can make head or tails of the Road Traffic Act 2006, then the answer should be in there. Search for 'belt' (they're referred to as 'safety belts', not 'seat belts'). It's referring to European Law, and I'm not arsed looking it up, lol.

It's here: http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/acts/2006/A2306.pdf

Lucifer

You may remove you seatbelt during the test for reversing. I removed mine when i did my test and used both the mirrors and looking out the back and front window. Just make sure if you do that you put it back on when you stop before you move off again.

Stark

A driving instructor freaked out with me for removing my belt while reversing before. But then that goes to show that they don't know the rules themselves.

Wishbone Ash

Stark wrote:

Taking off your seatbelt is a different story altogether. I'd imagine they'll fail you if you do that

It's perfectly acceptable and legal to remove one's seatbelt when reversing.

Exemptions from requirement to wear seatbelts



1. If you are sitting on a seat that is not fitted with a safety belt

2. If you are driving and reversing your vehicle (i.e., moving your vehicle in a backward motion)

3. If you are giving instruction in or in respect of the driving of a vehicle (i.e., you are teaching someone else how to drive). This is another example of a case where it might not be so wise to avail of the leniency of the law.

4. If you are driving test examiner conducting a driving test

5. If you are a member of An Garda Siochana or the Defence Forces and are driving as part of your duties

6. If you hold a medical certificate signed by a qualified medical practitioner stating it is inadvisable on medical grounds you wear a seatbelt or child restraint

7. Babies and children under 4 years in back seats only that do not have appropriate child restraints fitted are also exempt from the requirements. Again, the responsible adult might decide to place a child in a child restraint system that is, perhaps, designed for a different weight bracket, judging this to be preferable to the child being un-restrained. The law does not prevent the use of good judgment in such a case. Neither does it, however, oblige us to force a child to use an inappropriate child restraint.

(With effect from 1st July, 2004 drivers of small public service vehicles (i.e., taxis) are required to wear seatbelts when driving these vehicles. Previously, they had been exempt from this provision).

Irish Salfordia

Just saw this post. I am sure in the old Rules of the Road' that it stated it was ok to take off your belt when reversing - must dig out an old copy and check unless anyone has page and verse!.

The NEW Rules of the Road seems different:-
Page 35 - Heading SAFETY BELTS says :"You must wear a Safety Belt. The only exceptions are:-

• people who wear a disabled person's belt
• people whose doctors have certified that, on medical grounds, they should not wear a safety belt
• driving instructors or driver testers during a lesson or a test, and
• Gardai or members of the defense forces in the course of their duty

I cannot find anywhere in this new version where it says it is ok to remove belt while reversing. Anyone find differently.

New rules of the road come into force in the driving test from 1st/2nd May, so this is the new 'Bible'

rain on

hm. i've been told you can fail your test by not turning around and looking out the back window while reversing. the amount of completely opposing advice you get on driving is mildly worrying.

Wishbone Ash

rain on wrote:

hm. i've been told you can fail your test by not turning around and looking out the back window while reversing. the amount of completely opposing advice you get on driving is mildly worrying.

If the vehicle is equipped with a rear window the driver is expected to use it in conjunction with mirrors. (Some category B vehicles such as small vans may not be equipped with a rear window).

In large vehicles such as buses, rigid trucks and articulated trucks, the driver is expected to reverse using the mirrors. Looking back via the offside door is permitted in an articulated truck, particularly when doing an off-side corner reverse.

WindSock

Reversing just by using your mirrors is silly. Sure you have to turn your head to the left anyway because of the blind spot.

Rabies

boreds wrote:

Reversing just by using your mirrors is silly. Sure you have to turn your head to the left anyway because of the blind spot.

For a car that is ok. Different story when you are driving a big commerical vehicle with no rear/side windows.
Sometimes, getting out for a quick peek if you have time helps.

Wishbone Ash

boreds wrote:

Reversing just by using your mirrors is silly

Yea, it's much safer to look at a bulkhead. :rolleyes:

WindSock

Whats a bulkhead now?

Wishbone Ash

boreds wrote:

Whats a bulkhead now?

The partition between the load area and the driver's area.

timmywex

does anybody else think its crazy that you dont have to wear a seatbelt if you are in the gardai?? i know it says while on duty, but if a guard was to be stopped, they could easily say theyre working plain clothes for a few months, show the id and drive off!! what difference does it make if youre in the army or guards?? youre still going to die without a seatbelt!!

Dave!

They can use mobile phones while driving on duty, too (the Gardaí can, anyway).

They're dangerous jobs, surprise surprise!!!

Irish Salfordia

timmywex wrote:

does anybody else think its crazy that you dont have to wear a seatbelt if you are in the gardai?? i know it says while on duty, but if a guard was to be stopped, they could easily say theyre working plain clothes for a few months, show the id and drive off!! what difference does it make if youre in the army or guards?? youre still going to die without a seatbelt!!

I think the craziest of all is that driving instructors and driver testers don't have to wear seat belts when giving lessons or during tests. Given the standard of lots of learners this would be suicidal !!!!!

Stark

That exemption only applies to driving testers, not instructors.

Wishbone Ash

timmywex wrote:

does anybody else think its crazy that you dont have to wear a seatbelt if you are in the gardai?

No, not at all. Legislation regarding seatbelts cannot account for every situation therefore it is easier to exempt rather that draft legislation which can account for every situation. There is no requirement that individual Gardaí do not wear a seatbelt. It is a matter of choice. For example, Gardaí are occasionally required to restrain difficult prisoners in patrol cars. This would be very difficult while wearing a seatbelt.

DaveMcG wrote:

They can use mobile phones while driving on duty, too

AFAIK the legislation refers to all two way communication. That would prohibit telephones, two way radios, CBs etc. Do you really think it would be appropriate that Gardaí cannot use their radios? How else would their controller communicate with them. It is much easier to grant a general exemption rather than to try to specify every possible scenario where the use of two way communication should be granted or prohibited. The Gardaí are forced to use mobile telephones for communications in many circumstances anyway as the non-TETRA radio system is very insecure.

Mrs. MacGyver

Cheese Princess wrote:

I got lots of lessons before my test last November and my instructor told me to look around in all directions (as well as using the mirors) when reversing. I did that in the test and I passed.
Don't think you should take off the belt though - even if it's allowed, you might forget to put it back on.

My instructor said the same and i passed in December. Don't take off the seatbelt (even though it says you can in the rules of the road). Mirrors (side and middle) are very NB indeed. Don't forget to look over the shoulder either. Work the clutch also (I was severly marked on my 1st test over that).

Mr. Presentable

Irish Salfordia wrote:

I think the craziest of all is that driving instructors and driver testers don't have to wear seat belts when giving lessons or during tests. Given the standard of lots of learners this would be suicidal !!!!!

It's in case they have to reach suddenly over to grab the wheel. An inertia reel belt would prevent them. I know, because I asked

Irish Salfordia

Stark wrote:

That exemption only applies to driving testers, not instructors.

Sorry, but check your new or old version of the rules of te road and you wills see that driving instructors are excluded during driving lessons.

Stark

How does that work exactly? Anyone can be a driving instructor at the moment with just a driving licence. I could be in the car with someone driving on a provisional and I could be classed as a driving instructor. Does that mean I'm exempt from wearing a seatbelt in that instance?

I could see how the law would work if they had a Government registrar of driving instructors but at the moment they don't.

timmywex

Wishbone Ash wrote:

No, not at all. Legislation regarding seatbelts cannot account for every situation therefore it is easier to exempt rather that draft legislation which can account for every situation. There is no requirement that individual Gardaí do not wear a seatbelt. It is a matter of choice. For example, Gardaí are occasionally required to restrain difficult prisoners in patrol cars. This would be very difficult while wearing a seatbelt.

posted without thinking there, gardai are advised to wear seat belts and many of their new cars have that beeping yoke on them, however, my dad was a detective for a long time and he said he never wore one because of the nature of his work, for example, if he was escorting something, he would always need to be out of the car fast and he would have his gun in his holster ready to go but he said the seatbelt got in the way of the machine gun when doing escorts, on chases aswell, they need to jump out fast

Vegeta

Unless you are overweight I cannot see why you'd need to take off your seat belt to reverse.

Also I have no problems reversing with two hands on the wheel.

Definitely use the back window, mirrors, front glance and blind spot a number of times when reversing.