Outline plan and Evaluation of sources(History)

Naikon

I need to have my project in soon, but these section is driving me mad:(
How do you structure this section properly?
If anyone could help with this I would be very greatfull as These sections are the last to be completed properly.
Also I have bit the bullet and I am now doing Ordinary level, so Should I change My RSR to Ordinary or Honours.
My teacher says it "looks better" by doing an honours RSR even though I am not doing honours anymore.
Will I lose more marks?
*Confusion*

Enemy Of Fate

I just finished mine today!!Took ages, but i'm sure i'll get full marks for the outline plan and evaluation sources, and most of the marks for the review of research thing.Anyways just go to RTE's website and download the History Research Project podcast.It has the author of some of the LC history books on it (think its the Irish ones....I know I use at least 1 of his books anyways) and he breaks everything down really well.Completely invaluable if you want good marks on the first 2 sections......and I guess it gives you decent enough info bout the review, although I wish they'd gone into more detail.Ah well.

Naikon

Ill give it a shot...thanks:)

Enemy Of Fate

You won't regret.It breaks everything done exactly (for instance without that I wouldn't have known that to get full marks in the outline plan you need to do 5 different things!!I probably would have just stuck down 2, maybe 3 at most).

Haven't a Clue

Yep, that podcast is the business. History teacher said that that part of my essay was excellent and I just used all the tips the podcast gives.

_Ganondorf_

Link please? Tres worried bout mine project and I cant find this fabled podcast anywhere

Naikon

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/gettingitright/

Here ya go:)
Its under the podcast heading.
Just finished mine to perfection(corrected and all) after a History stint over the last two nights.
And they say it should be finished in 5th year:rolleyes:
Now, its time to learn the History course:eek:

estebancambias

Im just wondering, what do you mean for the outline plan 5 points?

I have everything done but what sort of points are needed?

Naikon

For the outline plan use these sub-headings.

Outline plan:

1 Define your project(explain what its about)

2 Explain why you chose it and why it is an important part of History

3 what you hope to achieve by the end of the Study, skills of historian,specific aims and insights into your topic etc.

4 How you will go about your research, Sources, drafting editing, notes keeping etc.

5 list your sources and give the title author, publisher and a date.

Try to fit these on one page.

Haven't a Clue

Naikon wrote:

For the outline plan use these sub-headings.

Outline plan:

1 Define your project(explain what its about)

2 Explain why you chose it and why it is an important part of History

3 what you hope to achieve by the end of the Study, skills of historian,specific aims and insights into your topic etc.

4 How you will go about your research, Sources, drafting editing, notes keeping etc.

5 list your sources and give the title author, publisher and a date.

Try to fit these on one page.

Trying to fit them into the one page is a bitch. Mefeels the one correcting mine's gonna have to have a maginfying glass handy...

Selphie

Naikon wrote:

Try to fit these on one page.

You can't just try to fit them on one page, you have to fit them on one page. That's all you're given in the exam booklet and you're not allowed to add any supplementary pages.

I finished mine today!! YAY!!!

Enemy Of Fate

Yeah I finished it COMPLETELY the other day too.Am so happy to finally have it done!!!Am well over the word limit though.Bout 1750 words, although i'm just going to say its 1624.Theres only bout a half a page of space left in the whole booklet!!Ah well.

_Ganondorf_

Ugh all that stuff at the end about people rushing it and doing it at the last minute.. That's me! Haha .. Only done my first draft so far, needs alot of work by the sounds of things.. My history teacher made the essay sound a lot easier than that dude...

Naikon

Just remember I was in the exact same situation 2 days ago:o
U will be grand, just follow the advice from the book and my outline plan and it will work out...trust me I left it to the last minute in my class and Was clueless but now I am expecting 17-20% for the RSR.

Mushy

Naikon wrote:

For the outline plan use these sub-headings.


Outline plan:

1 Define your project(explain what its about)

2 Explain why you chose it and why it is an important part of History

3 what you hope to achieve by the end of the Study, skills of historian,specific aims and insights into your topic etc.

4 How you will go about your research, Sources, drafting editing, notes keeping etc.

5 list your sources and give the title author, publisher and a date.

Jaysus, when ya said 5 points I was worried, but when ya said these, I breathed a sigh of relief. I'm actually surprised that everyone wasnt given this info at first, I thought it was the natural thing. Handed my project up today at last, 1526 words, time to start forgetting what I even did it on. Gonna keep my last draft though incase of repeats:D

Naikon

Just so you know, you wont be able to submit your old RSR if you repeat:

http://www.examinations.ie/schools/S90_06_Repeating_LC_History.pdf

Mushy

So thats basically punishment then...you have half the time to do just as much as everyone else? I dont inetend on repeating anyway...but ya never know, if the worse comes to the worse

Naikon

Pretty much:mad:
They also change the English course and others regularly to discourage repeating.
At this stage I reckon I will never repeat.
The Leaving cert isnt the only reliable method of getting into college...and no, mature entry isnt one of them.

I have had enough of School.....time to move on no matter what the outcome.
But dont take this in a bad way, its simply how I have felt since the start of Fifth year.

NO GOING BACK!

yurmothrintites

Hey my review is 250 words and my essay and review altogether is 1395. Is that okay, is it okay to 50 words over my review in this case?

Haven't a Clue

yurmothrintites wrote:

Hey my review is 250 words and my essay and review altogether is 1395. Is that okay, is it okay to 50 words over my review in this case?

Dunno how the hell you managed it, but yeah, that's spot on. I think the word count is meant to be between 1200-1500 words.

estebancambias

In the outline plan when writing about how you went about getting info, do you write like

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In order to complete my project i will go to the library or in order to complete project i went to the library

Mushy

In the outline plan, you never write anything in the past tense for one. You would say something like: I intend to obtain sources from the local library, the reference section of the county library.

Just something like that.

Haven't a Clue

Mushy wrote:

In the outline plan, you never write anything in the past tense for one. You would say something like: I intend to obtain sources from the local library, the reference section of the county library.

Just something like that.

Serious? Ah ****. Guts of 15 marks lost already.

Why don't any of the bastards state what tense you put stuff in?

Enemy Of Fate

Haven't a Clue wrote:

Serious? Ah ****. Guts of 15 marks lost already.

Why don't any of the bastards state what tense you put stuff in?

Actually Sean Delap (the guy in that RTE podcast) said you were to write about how you intend to get your sources......so they actually do.

Haven't a Clue

Enemy Of Fate wrote:

Actually Sean Delap (the guy in that RTE podcast) said you were to write about how you intend to get your sources......so they actually do.

Did I say who I was referring to as bastards? I was on about the genius' who devised this research topic idea and decided to make it so confusing for both teachers and students that I've to find out either on a podcast or an internet forum about what I'm meant to do.

Mushy

Well, when ya think about it, an "intended approach" isnt exactly going to be in the past tense now is it? Cant really blame the think-tank behind it all. Our teacher just pretty much gave us what he was given at in-service days, and if judging by some people here, it seems like mine is of amazing quality. Sorry to sound boastful aswell though.

christophicus

Yeah you seem to be one of the lucky ones Mushy. I still have not finished it . FOOK!!!!!

Enemy Of Fate

Haven't a Clue wrote:

Did I say who I was referring to as bastards? I was on about the genius' who devised this research topic idea and decided to make it so confusing for both teachers and students that I've to find out either on a podcast or an internet forum about what I'm meant to do.

Well aside from the lack of definitive information about the project, I think its fantastic that you can go into the exam with 20% already done.However whoever decided how the marks for the project should be split up is a moron.I mean the actual essay part should be worth AT LEAST 80%, with 10% going for both the Outline plan and the evaluation of sources.And for **** sake, if you want us to write a review at the end of the essay, give us a ****ing seperate heading for the damn thing!!

christophicus

I thought you could put it under a seperate heading ....no?

Enemy Of Fate

christophicus wrote:

I thought you could put it under a seperate heading ....no?

Well thats what I did, but I mean they should give us the heading in the booklet, like they do with the outline plan.evaluation of sources.I just skipped bout a half a page from the end of my essay and write ''Review of Research'' in a different colour, and then wrote the research in there.

christophicus

Ok cool, thats what I am going to do. And I completely agree, they should have a seperate section in the paper.

christophicus

Sorry for double posting but does anyone know how long the evaluation of sources should be ?? I Think I can only really manage a few sentences for each source.

estebancambias

3 paragraphs, im sure.

can someone tell me what to write for intened approach, im sure its general

christophicus

3 Paragraphs each ?? Or one paragraph each? Also are long paragraphs expected or are short-medium ones ok?

I think what you write for intended approach is where you intend to go to look for information e.g your local library/ bookshop internet. Also dont forget to state what medium you are looking for ,even though it may be obvious, e.g books, video tapes, or just info on webpages.

Mushy

For Evaluation: should be medium to longish(dont go too long, you only have one page in the booklet). Should mention if its a primary source etc. Should mention the bibliography, the index ie. "with detailed notes contained in the excellent index" or "a comprehensive list of sources, which were found in the excellent bibliography". Stuff like that and they'll lap it al lup.

For Outline Plan(Intended Approach part): You your intended approach is to consult information from various sources, then say where ie. the library. Then say something bout making notes, which will make up your extended essay. That should be enough, but if you can say something else that you intend to do, like visiting places, then put it in. Its only a short paragraph aswell.

Remember: if your putting in a quote in the Extended Essay, write the name of the book, and the page number of the quote, in brackets, immediately after the quote.

Enemy Of Fate

Mushy wrote:

Should mention if its a primary source etc.

****!!!!****, ****, ****!!!!How the hell did I forget to mention that?!I'm a ****ing useless historian.And theres no space left in the booklet.**** it all.

Mushy

I maybe should have asked what levels people are doing actually? Cos all that is for honours, although I'm pretty sure its the same at Ord., just shorter

Naikon

Well, considering how fcuked I am for Higher History, I am just going to do pass and get a really high grade:o
No other subjects freaks me out more than History.

I did my RSR in Honours format(1500 words) as the Ordinary layout is the exact same just shorter(600-800) the outline plan etc is the same.
It would have been more awkward given the time of year to re-edit it and instead you can submit a Higher RSR even if you do Ordinary on the day.

ADowling

Can you use a personal reason for a reason regarding why you chose the topic? I'm doing mine on the Rural Electrification of Ireland but I've no idea what to put as the reason for doing it other than I found the heading interesting.