Sound of Music or Marry Poppins

Solksjaer

Ok I played online last night , my 1st game in 3 weeks of any sort. I'm not an online fan as it's EV + for ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzss anyway I decide I'll just lodge 100 Euros and play around.

After about an 90 mins playing .5 -1. I was up to 300ish. This was not hard to do as I just played ABC stuff whilst all around seemed to happy to pay off good hands playing what I would euphemistically call 'loose as a moth from the monto ' (me ol' grandads saying).....

then this hand.

I'm on the button with 10s.... Folded round to me, (Huh?) I raise to 3, SB calls (400) and BB ->A ROCK (270ish) calls

Flop come 10s Ks Js. SB raises 15, BB reraises 50. WTF? I'm only in for 3 quid here . I know this is probably a standard hand for most of you but I've a bloody set. I'll tell you the outcome but I think it's irrelevant to my question.

I reraised 150. SB folded. BB of course called with flopped nut flush we end up all in the middle.
I pair the board on the river to take the pot.


So was I correct to play like this? I actually strongly thought he may have hit his flush but then again a high % he was drawing but my gut told me I was behind. I know the 'never fold set brigade' will say ok but I feel I got lucky and played it badly as I did reckon 'this particular guy' was strong. (only tightish player on the table).
Can anyone find a fold here?


Aside!
*I cashed out and the winnings payed for the Police at Croke Park on ticketmaster this morning....Roooooxannee!
Returning to live poker next week so watch out..

Gholimoli

Solksjaer wrote:

Ok I played online last night , my 1st game in 3 weeks of any sort. I'm not an online fan as it's EV + for ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzss anyway I decide I'll just lodge 100 Euros and play around.

After about an 90 mins playing .5 -1. I was up to 300ish. This was not hard to do as I just played ABC stuff whilst all around seemed to happy to pay off good hands playing what I would euphemistically call 'loose as a moth from the monto ' (me ol' grandads saying).....

then this hand.

I'm on the button with 10s.... Folded round to me, (Huh?) I raise to 3, SB calls (400) and BB ->A ROCK (270ish) calls

Flop come 10s Ks Js. SB raises 15, BB reraises 50. WTF? I'm only in for 3 quid here . I know this is probably a standard hand for most of you but I've a bloody set. I'll tell you the outcome but I think it's irrelevant to my question.

I reraised 150. SB folded. BB of course called with flopped nut flush we end up all in the middle.
I pair the board on the river to take the pot.


So was I correct to play like this? I actually strongly thought he may have hit his flush but then again a high % he was drawing but my gut told me I was behind. I know the 'never fold set brigade' will say ok but I feel I got lucky and played it badly as I did reckon 'this particular guy' was strong. (only tightish player on the table).
Can anyone find a fold here?


Aside!
*I cashed out and the winnings payed for the Police at Croke Park on ticketmaster this morning....Roooooxannee!
Returning to live poker next week so watch out..

Just call the 50 raise.
It may keep SB in the hand, which results in a bigger pot giving you better odds for your draw (if you need to hit which on that board and the action really looks like you do).

HiCloy

I'd probably fold here given your description of the BB as a rock, unless you feel he'll pay you off if the board pairs

phantom_lord

i'd just shove and not think very much about it.

Solksjaer

Yeah, I didn't consider that, keeping the SB in. I was hoping to be against one player on a draw. But I was sure I was behind so I guess you are right I should have just called and let the SB give myself the odds. Good point. Although not sure what I would have done with a turn scare card with two others still in the pot. I was plying very tight myself so may have missed my lucky river.

Solksjaer

phantom_lord wrote:

i'd just shove and not think very much about it.

Some of the players on the table had a similar mindset, probably why I was up a few bob.

phantom_lord

Solksjaer wrote:

Some of the players on the table had a similar mindset, probably why I was up a few bob.

they were hardly doing much wrong if that was their mindset with flopped sets.

HiCloy

phantom_lord wrote:

they were hardly doing much wrong if that was their mindset with flopped sets.

What do you think the Big Blind, a tight player, has when he reraises the flop on that board?

phantom_lord

HiCloy wrote:

What do you think the Big Blind, a tight player, has when he reraises the flop on that board?

he could have k10/kj/kq asx, q10, asxs. maybe even protecting agasint draws with ak.


at worst we have about 33% equity, assuming he doesn't have a flopped sf. and we're ahead of everything else.

edit: well, except for higher sets, meh.

Gholimoli

phantom_lord wrote:

he could have k10/kj/kq asx, q10, asxs. maybe even protecting agasint draws with ak.


at worst we have about 33% equity, assuming he doesn't have a flopped sf. and we're ahead of everything else.

edit: well, except for higher sets, meh.

i dont think a rock would have KQ,QT,KT often there at all.
KJ is possible .
anything else that calls your shove is most deff ahead of you.(specially seen as he is a rock).
based on this i think it’s a mistake to shove 250BB in to 120 or so BB pot.
You cant say at worse you have 33% equity is a higher set is quite likely here.

Solksjaer

phantom_lord wrote:

they were hardly doing much wrong if that was their mindset with flopped sets.

As PP says in Life of Brian....Are you Wagging me?

It's more the don't give it much thought thing. Surely you need to give yer hands thought especially if your stack is going in. If you don't you are doing V. MUCH wrong. I think this is actually where I played it badly, I didn't give it enough thought. I got lucky.

DubTony

HiCloy wrote:

What do you think the Big Blind, a tight player, has when he reraises the flop on that board?

Would have looked to me like AKo/AJo with a possible nut flush draw. I'd never put this guy on the nut flush with that play, and it's hard to see him do that with a higher set. But then I play micro stakes where this kind of thing happens all the time.

phantom_lord

is that a reasonable range? i can do it on a tighter one if you want?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

  44,550  games     0.015 secs     2,970,000  games/sec

Board: Ts Js Ks
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	66.734%  	64.23% 	02.51% 	         28614 	     1116.00   { TcTd }
Hand 1: 	33.266%  	30.76% 	02.51% 	         13704 	     1116.00   { JJ, AKs, AsQs, AsTs, KTs+, AKo, AsJc, AsJd, AsJh, AsTc, AsTd, AsTh, As9c, As9d, As9h, KJo+ }

Surely you need to give yer hands thought especially if your stack is going in. If you don't you are doing V. MUCH wrong.

what's there to think about, I've a set, I think I've good equity vs their range. ship it.

phantom_lord

actually, there's way too many as x in there. I'll do it again.


how about:

Board: Ts Js Ks
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	65.225%  	62.42% 	02.80% 	         25955 	     1165.50   { TcTd }
Hand 1: 	34.775%  	31.97% 	02.80% 	         13294 	     1165.50   { JJ, AQs+, AsTs, KTs+, AKo, AsJc, KJo+ }

I think this is as tight a range as I would give him:

equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	60.528%  	57.74% 	02.79% 	         17721 	      855.00   { TcTd }
Hand 1: 	39.472%  	36.69% 	02.79% 	         11259 	      855.00   { JJ, AQs+, AsTs, KJs, AsKc, AsKd, AsJc, KJo+ }

Solksjaer

What the fine abacus does not tell you is how to play the player. I think that's what there is to think about. I took the
Push approach against my instincts and I was wrong. The rock was pure granite and he appeared very strong, your abacus would not have spotted that. I do play the % game in general but thank god I don't reply on tools like that. Very Bodtastic.

El Stuntman

Solksjaer wrote:

What the fine abacus does not tell you is how to play the player. I think that's what there is to think about. I took the
Push approach against my instincts and I was wrong. The rock was pure granite and he appeared very strong, your abacus would not have spotted that. I do play the % game in general but thank god I don't reply on tools like that. Very Bodtastic.

plus you had 'thrown 100 quid into a poker site for the craic' (paraphrasing) so you are not exactly in grinder mode...it worked out, so now you can help to pay for Sting's hair extensions and tantrix sex pills. WP!

what's bodtastic?

Solksjaer

El Stuntman wrote:

plus you had 'thrown 100 quid into a poker site for the craic' (paraphrasing) so you are not exactly in grinder mode...it worked out, so now you can help to pay for Sting's hair extensions and tantrix sex pills. WP!

what's bodtastic?

I threw 100 on BUT it turned into 300+ this then becomes worth protecting. You don't win anything until you LEAVE the bookie shop. It wasn't WP, it was lucky. Just wondering who else would have made the lucky move I made.


BODTASTIC is playing like a BOD. Bod was also a cartoon character on BBC. He was an excellent mathematician.

De Do do do de Da da da is all I want to say to you....they don't write lyrics like that anymore.

ntlbell

Solksjaer wrote:

What the fine abacus does not tell you is how to play the player. I think that's what there is to think about. I took the
Push approach against my instincts and I was wrong. The rock was pure granite and he appeared very strong, your abacus would not have spotted that. I do play the % game in general but thank god I don't reply on tools like that. Very Bodtastic.

Sunderland are on top of the championship.

phantom_lord

Solksjaer wrote:

What the fine abacus does not tell you is how to play the player. I think that's what there is to think about. I took the
Push approach against my instincts and I was wrong. The rock was pure granite and he appeared very strong, your abacus would not have spotted that. I do play the % game in general but thank god I don't reply on tools like that. Very Bodtastic.

ok, well I like $$$.

Solksjaer

Well thanks for the comments/debate, (PL especially)

Solksjaer

ntlbell wrote:

Sunderland are on top of the championship.

I prefered the Sound of Music myself, taught me how to understand scales. Poppins was a bit spooky, the brolly freaked me out.

phantom_lord

sorry, I'm just in a sarky mood...

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

what I don't get is why he raised with the pfr behind him with the nuts and the redraw to the absolutes...