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Open limp on the button with maniac in the blinds?

  • 20-04-2007 9:03am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭


    I'm currently playing a total maniac with VPIP of 90% (yes, 90%). I'm one to his right.

    Basically blinds are unstealable since he'll call any pf raise from SB or BB so is there any merit to open limping with mediocre hands in order to play as many pots as possible with him? I don't really want to inflate pots with marginal hands since it's pretty much impossible to put him on a hand.Obviously I'm still going to raise my good hands but I'm not worried in the slightest about him noticing this.

    Good/bad?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭breadmonkey


    bump

    Call someone tell me is there any merit to this or should I just tighten up and wait for a good hand to crush these guys?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭breadmonkey


    If his range is ATC, and your button opening range is top 60% of hands - coupled with the fact that you are in position, I don't think you should be afraid to play a raised pot against him.
    Well put.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    I don’t think this is good advice at all.
    It doesn’t really matter what % of hands your range is(even though I think it’s a loosing play to be raising top 60% against this player) .
    What matters is how he plays post-flop?
    Aggressive?
    Passive?
    Calls too much? folds too much?
    Raises too much? Over values hands too much?
    This is the sort of information you should be looking for and based on that shift your strategy in away that would maximally exploit his tendencies.
    Some times this will result in you raising more hands on the button and some times it would result in limping with more hands but that’s basically what you should be looking at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Surely we want to play lots of hands HU and in position against a guy with a VPIP of 90%?
    a large part of our edge comes from playing a better selection of hands. raising atc is hardly a good idea, since what makes that profitable is the fe we have against normal players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    Surely we want to play lots of hands HU and in position against a guy with a VPIP of 90%?
    Lloyd it depends how he plays post flop.
    What good is it if you play alot of hands against him in position in lose most of it?
    Exploiting loos pre-flop play is not necessarily loosening up your self pre-flop.
    if the other dude plays better than you post flop then he has the edge on you and not the other way around.

    On the other hand if he just likes to sees a flop with any two cards and gives up on the flop then you can raise with any two cards and make a bet on the flop and this alone is profitable.

    it depends on his post-flop tendencies.
    the fact that you have position here should not fool you in to thinking that you should loosen up your self .
    Half the advantage of position is that it can save you bets as in prevent you from putting money in .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    How bad does he play after the flop? If he plays 90% of hands preflop I would imagine he plays just as bad after the flop, so I would raise him with anything half decent. 56o and upwards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭breadmonkey


    Yeah pretty awful postflop. Calls you down with middle pair+

    So the idea is that depending on how these guys play postflop it can be ok to open limp OTB?


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