Some Omaha Stuff - No Hand Histories

5starpool

Ok, as a good few of ye probably know I play a lot more Omaha cash games than Holdem. Unfortunately this does not mean that I am by any means an expert although I know the game well enough. It is the 'good hand, but not great hand in a bloated pot' type hands that I have trouble with more than anything.

I am not sure I even have a fully formulated question but I'll try. The 50 Omaha game in the Fitz is playing much bigger now than it was even only a few months ago, and it is common to see 3-4 tanks greater than 1k on the table at a time, and I remember one night when there was about 10k on the table at one point only a few weeks ago, and this is when there was a 100 game going also.

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Mostly in this thread I want to talk about pots where I have a holding such as AAxx, against 1-2 fairly agressive but decent opponents postflop for a bloated pot (say 50 each preflop, each player having approx 800 behind for arguments sake).

Out of position in this pot here I will generally lead at paired, dry boards such as J44, and in position I will generally tend to lead/call if checked to. Do the Omaha players here generally prefer to play this type of hand really strongly here and reraise if led to or try to c/r on the flop with this type of holding on this type of board?

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Another type of hand is the polar opposite of the one above. Against a player whose most likely holding is AAxx (tight, predictable player getting in reraise or 3rd raise even) when your holding is something like 5678ds on a flop of 237r. Assume you are in position and headsup in this hand with 100 in the pot and ~500 each behind. If tighty leads for the pot, what do you do here with a gutshot, 2 backdoor flush draws, albeit low, and one pair. In my thinking here I am willing to take the chance that he has AAxx and if the xx has hit or I am wrong then so be it.

A lot of what I have seen here lately is people reraising with the 1 pair plus a couple of draws type hand when it is likely they are against AAxx. Is this the right play generally or are people more disposed to a tighter line here?

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Ok, this one is more basic (the others might be too, but sure what the hell).

On a board of 6h9sJh, holding 8hThQsAs in a six way pot (60) how do people play this from the button if:

1. 2 players check, 1 pots it, 2 fold. You?
2. 1st player pots it, 2 players fold, 2 call. You?
3. All players check. You?
4. 1st player bets it, 1 caller, 1 reraises to 300. You?

Effective stacks ~500

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I know that there will be a few players reading this that I play with regularly (lurkers such as Ronan and Laurence, I am looking at you) and even if I do give away some of my thought processes (however limited) I think most that play with me know how I play anyways. All the examples in this are hypothetical, not based on specific events, or against specific players, but are situations that regularly arise. This could also apply easily to online games, but these tend to play less deep, and against opponents less familiar, so are at the same time easier and harder to play in different way I guess. Also, I know some of these decisions depend on who you are playing against, but for these example, unless otherwise stated, the play is an average ABC Omaha type player.

I don't know if this will actually work as a thread, but there is not enough Omaha talked about here. I am hoping it does work and look forward to responses from Omaha heads. TY.

Lissavalley

I rarely raise with AAxx OOP unless xx is a big pair or something like JT or QTds.

And against 2 callers Im finished unless I hit a set or a draw.

The hand you posted.

1. Raise.
2. Fold.
3. Pot.
4. Fold.

My 2c

ditpoker

5starpool wrote:

Ok, this one is more basic (the others might be too, but sure what the hell).

On a board of 6h9sJh, holding 8hThQsAs in a six way pot (60) how do people play this from the button if:

1. 2 players check, 1 pots it, 2 fold. You?
2. 1st player pots it, 2 players fold, 2 call. You?
3. All players check. You?
4. 1st player bets it, 1 caller, 1 reraises to 300. You?

Effective stacks ~500.

pot the fudge out of it!! (you want to see 5 cards with that hand, its gonna cost you to get there more often than not, at least by potting you have some fold equity. and i'm 93% sure you're never wrong to be betting...

ditpoker

Lissavalley wrote:

I rarely raise with AAxx OOP unless xx is a big pair or something like JT or QTds.

And against 2 callers Im finished unless I hit a set or a draw.

The hand you posted.

1. Raise.
2. Fold.
3. Pot.
4. Fold.

My 2c

1 pots it, and 2 callers so there's approx 240 in the pot and you have a hand with alot of potential, if you stick your 500 tank in, you can:
a) pick up 240 uncontested
b) find yourself in a 2k pot with a hand that 1 in 4 times will win it (i'd imagine)
c) lose a player or 2 and get 5 board cards for you're draw heavy hand against 1 opponent for about 1100 bananas...

i get it in here...

eoghan104

5starpool wrote:

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Ok, this one is more basic (the others might be too, but sure what the hell).

On a board of 6h9sJh, holding 8hThQsAs in a six way pot (60) how do people play this from the button if:

1. 2 players check, 1 pots it, 2 fold. You?
2. 1st player pots it, 2 players fold, 2 call. You?
3. All players check. You?
4. 1st player bets it, 1 caller, 1 reraises to 300. You?

Effective stacks ~500

Good Post Dom we need more Omaha strategies discussed. Heres my thoughts if they are worth anything to you.......

Ill start with the above.

1. I like a raise here to get it heads up. I dont like to get it all in with this hand in a multiway pot but am happy to get it heads up hoping that our outs are all live.

2. It may seem like you have a big draw here and the right price to call but how many outs can be live? your drawing to a split pot here a lot. I fold.

3. i pot it to get some money in the pot and If we take it down here then happy days!

4. I fold here again for reasons outlined in #2.

As regards playing aces and big pairs Ive stopped playing them strongly OOP unless im facing a big raise and I can Repop it to try thin the field but even then OOP i might just call. I try follow a rule that if i can get 70%+ of my stack in pre-flop heads up with aces then I play them big otherwise not. I dont like to cont bet with them either as sometimes your hand can be very transparent and people will come over the top with worse hands knowing you cant call.

In the opposite situation if I can put people on aces I will play back at them on the flop with any kind of combo draw if they are good enough to fold.

All this stuff is very read dependent especially in the Fitz 50 game where you can get to know the players and their tendacies. I might play the same hand against Ronan in a completley different way to say Ross as both have different styles and tendacies.

Just my 2c anyway......

eoghan104

Just to add something else to this thread.

I feel like I may be overplaying hands like 6789ds Preflop. What do people do in the following situations? Assuming stacks are circa €500 and players are mixed but mostly solid decent players.

1. 2 players call, 1 pots it, 2 fold. You in SB?
2. 1st player pots it, 2 players call, Button Repots it . You in BB?
3. 2 players call, 1 pots it, 2 fold. You on Button?
4. 1st player pots it, 2 players call, CO Repots it . You on Button?

Are these sort of hands as good in position as I think?

If you could be dealt one of these hands, AA73ds or 6789ds which would you prefer in SB / Button?

ianmc38

I never raise junkie aces oop. I just check or call a raise unless i can get the majority of my tank in preflop. Making your hand so obvious oop against golod aggressive postflop players will just lead to difficult decisions for your tank on later streets.


I lead at dry boards with a low pair such as the J44 board you mentioned, sometimes check raising.

Against an obvious AAxx, i'll often float flops with nothing and pot scrae cards on later streets. The hand you mentioned is ok, but id prefer a slightly scarier board, as i'd usually get AAxx in on a 237 board if possible. If the turn was a 4-10, i wouldnt be so keen.

Hand 3:

1. I repot it nearly always
2. Fold begrudgingly
3. Pot instantly and get all in
4. Again, foldksi for me