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  • 18-04-2007 9:59pm
    #1
    yahoo_moe
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    STT, 4 left of 6. Blinds getting pretty big at 100/200 with only 12k chips on the table. It was a bit stagnant for a while but Button has just doubled up a couple of hands previously to make it a fairly even game.

    Stacks:

    UTG = 3,640
    Button = 2,580
    Me (SB) = 2,830
    BB = 2,950


    UTG folds, button min-raises. I call from SB with [Qd 10h]. BB calls.

    Pot is 1200. Flop comes [5d Jd 4d], giving me an overcard and the 3rd nut flush draw.

    I check, BB checks, Button bets 600, keeping 1,580 behind.

    I RRAI and he calls with [As Jc]. None of my 12 outs come and I'm pretty much dead.

    I think it's all okay but anything horrible here?


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  • #2
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Fold pf.


  • #3
    carlop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭carlop


    depending on aggro of button id either reraise or fold pf. The flop is alrite tho


  • #4
    phantom_lord
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    i'd probably just shove pf or something. I don't really know what to do here so shallow. I guess folding might be best.


  • #5
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,904 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    If you were putting the button on a steal then play back preflop, otherwise you are ending up in a situation were you don't connect on the flop, and aren't getting odds to draw because the stacks are short.


  • #6
    LuckyLloyd
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  • #7
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    open shove is prob better than crai, i don't like either tho.


  • #8
    valor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    flat calling preflop really really sucks

    folding is easily the best move


  • #9
    yahoo_moe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    yeah, i considered pushing - i'd do it if he'd been stealing every round but he'd been quiet for so long just waiting to double up that I wasn't 100% sure of his range/tendencies... which I suppose you'll say means fold. I think I would've folded to a proper-sized raise but the min-raise maybe just tempted me into it.

    What I remembered from his earlier play was a few obvious c-bet bluffs that he then gave up on so I figured with no A or K on the flop, I could take it off him with a CRAI... was this just not a time to get tricky with an average stack of 15 BBs?


  • #10
    Lissavalley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭Lissavalley


    Fold preflop. Flat calling is rotten here.


  • #11
    yahoo_moe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    okay, got it, fold preflop.

    new question - if button limps, I complete (I assume that'd be okay?) and BB checks his option... then would my flop CRAI plan be okay to a fairly obvious button bet (after two checks from the blinds) and about 50-50 against top pair?


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  • #12
    yahoo_moe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭yahoo_moe


    EDIT: confused no longer - looking at odds from my new question and advice on my old question...


  • #13
    connie147
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭connie147


    yahoo_moe wrote:
    also, lloyd, in this thread, you're okay with a PF call for the same 5-1 odds with a similarly weak holding when hero only has 8 BBs left... is that purely because one pot is unraised and the other is raised (albeit only min-raised)?

    Not the same thing at all. Your in sb for 100, bb in for 200, button raised to 400 (700 in pot). You have to put in 300(our of a small stack) to call, thats only odds of just over 2/1.


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