Turn bluff raise

pok3rplaya

Thoghts on the turn raise. Villan is a 400NL guy, not a reg, thats about it.



***** Hand History for Game 5887868922 *****
$ 400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, April 18, 15:28:32 ET 2007
Table Table 127170 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: dimimi ( $ 564.80 USD )
Seat 2: I_can_read_ur_mind ( $ 237.50 USD )
Seat 3: straightballin ( $ 531 USD )
Seat 4: MWT55 ( $ 437 USD )
Seat 5: GarfieldistheKing ( $ 407 USD )
Seat 6: lolImAmerican ( $ 394 USD )
dimimi posts small blind [$ 2 USD].
I_can_read_ur_mind posts big blind [$ 4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolImAmerican [ Qd Ac ]
straightballin folds.
MWT55 folds.
GarfieldistheKing folds.
lolImAmerican raises [$ 16 USD]
dimimi calls [$ 14 USD]
I_can_read_ur_mind folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 5c, 8h ]
dimimi checks.
lolImAmerican checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
dimimi bets [$ 20 USD]
lolImAmerican raises [$ 64 USD]

Ste05

Seems standard enough,

ianmc38

Standardo

Goodluck2me

semi-bluff really as you have the Ac. i like it, he cant go nuts without it. if theres any folding equity and he is capable of making moves/laying hands down you could come all in if he raises it. take BOS though
i.e.if he goes to 160 and you push agin

phantom_lord

standard?

pok3rplaya

oops. Looks like I've been missing a bet spot all my life

Ste05

Even without the Ac, I'd raise here sometimes.

Captain Tom

meh.i think you have to fire another barrell a decent % of the time to take this down.if he's any good he knows you bet flop in position with a flush draw nearly always and probably dont raise turn with a king.

cardshark202

Bet that flop. If he's any good as capt tom says he'll think it highly unlikely that you're raising with just AK or something.

valor

this sucks

robinlacey

amazed to see people say its standard.

betting the flop is standard.

i think a lot of the time he bets here its because he has a king or a flush,or the Ac which he will probably call the raise with anyway.

i'm not saying i would never raise here,just that it'd be a table rhythm thing,given only the information in the OP i wouldn't bother raising here

cardshark202

robinlacey wrote:

amazed to see people say its standard.

betting the flop is standard.

i think a lot of the time he bets here its because he has a king or a flush,or the Ac which he will probably call the raise with anyway.

i'm not saying i would never raise here,just that it'd be a table rhythm thing,given only the information in the OP i wouldn't bother raising here

We have the Ac, which is another good reason to bet the flop.

pok3rplaya

just want to point out that I have the Ac

ianmc38

I meant its standard if you're checking the flop. I would bet that flop nearly every time.

And if he calls the turn raise I fire close to 100% of the time on the river.

cardshark202

ianmc38 wrote:

I meant its standard if you're checking the flop. I would bet that flop nearly every time.

And if he calls the turn raise I fire close to 100% of the time on the river.

wriggle

ianmc38

cardshark202 wrote:

wriggle

lol. there's a good reason i spew sick amounts of money on the river with ace high!

come to think of it, every street, often with worse than ace high.

Ste05

I would still consider this fairly standard, this kind of flop isn't a great flop for a continuation bet, it misses most of our raising range and either hits a large % of his range, he picked up some kind of draw that isn't going to fold to a bet, or he just doesn't believe us and might try and make a move on us later.

Therefore I wouldn't habitually fire a continuation bet here, I would alot of the time, but probably not as much as some of the posters above by the sounds of it. If we have a nice and loose image and have shown down lots of mid suited connectors and one gappers, mid pocket pairs, etc. obviously I'll cont. bet this flop all day, but a default Pre-Flop raisers range doesn't really fit into this flop.

On the turn we have the Ac and a good card for our range has fallen, he fires a bet, calling would not be great, as we can't really expect to get paid off if our flush draw hits, the only good point of that is basically just to float him and see if he checks the River (unlikely IMO). We could obviously fold, but alot of the time I can see a raise taking down this pot, he doesn't have to have anything at all here, we've shown weakness by checking behind on the flop so he'll try and take this pot away on the turn with almost everything he was calling our PF raise with, we have outs if we're called and can easily fold to a push. Although as with most things we have to make sure it fits into our image and the the table dynamics and who the Villain is.

robinlacey

good post ste

Gholimoli

I don’t think this is or should be a standard bet at all.
I think villain will only ever drop a hand here that we are ahead of any way.
With the check on the flop I seriously doubt villain would fold any hand that is ahead of us.