Its not fud its the nuclear industry

lostexpectation

well well sellafield has really outdone themselves this time, some people say that the critics of the nuclear industry are suffering from FUD( fear uncertainity doubt) the type that makes people over estimate the trouble chernoybl caused... but I don't just worry about the physical and enviromental risk of nuclear power but the corporations that carry it out, time after time report after report shows the serious high level negligence and obsfucation and cover up is their way of business.

and now that taken the organs from their dead workers to examine for nuclear related problems, now you might think that would be good beening ever vilgenlent but they did it secretly because they didn't want to give the impression that their deaths could be related to working in the plants.

it seem could be from anywhere between 5 and 70 bodies or organ samples that taken without full consent, I don't how sellafield got the parts from the local coroner??

It seems it may have been part of (hostile) compensation claim so on occasion sellafield took the tissue to proove their case and not communicated with the family and took the tissues anyway to back their case.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/nuclear/article/0,,2059694,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/nuclear/article/0,,2059980,00.html

enda1

Maybe the employees contracts say soething about allowing body snatching?

SeanW

Ouch I can see this featuring very prominently in Greenpeace's next Fossil Fuels Promotion.

body snatching

Haaaaaaaalp! It's the invasion of the evil nuclear body snatchers! Dial 999! Oh noes the humanity! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

Let's keep this real. In most of these cases, consent of either the family and/or the Coroner responsible was obtained, indeed since the Coroner handed over these organs, the most questions go there. Only a few cases, as I understand, are not properly documented.

Remember also that the tenure of many of these workers was in the very early years of nuclear energy, such as the 1950s and later when nuclear energy was a brand new science, and the UK was at the forefront. There would have been some legitimate questions about worker-safety in early and experimental reactors and associated facilities and I imagine the operators would have been keen to ensure that their facilities were safe places to work. Some pencil pusher obviously thought this was a good idea back in the 1960s when on mature recollection it may not have been.

As for the second article linked in the original post, the man worked in building reactors in the 1950s and his daughter now works for Greenpeace ...

lostexpectation

SeanW wrote:

Ouch I can see this featuring very prominently in Greenpeace's next Fossil Fuels Promotion.

Haaaaaaaalp! It's the invasion of the evil nuclear body snatchers! Dial 999! Oh noes the humanity! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

Let's keep this real. In most of these cases, consent of either the family and/or the Coroner responsible was obtained, indeed since the Coroner handed over these organs, the most questions go there. Only a few cases, as I understand, are not properly documented.

Remember also that the tenure of many of these workers was in the very early years of nuclear energy, such as the 1950s and later when nuclear energy was a brand new science, and the UK was at the forefront. There would have been some legitimate questions about worker-safety in early and experimental reactors and associated facilities and I imagine the operators would have been keen to ensure that their facilities were safe places to work. Some pencil pusher obviously thought this was a good idea back in the 1960s when on mature recollection it may not have been.

As for the second article linked in the original post, the man worked in building reactors in the 1950s and his daughter now works for Greenpeace ...

no sorry seanw as with the previous report I highlighted the nuclear industry is deliberatly misleading this wasn't a clerical error this was part of hostile compensation case and because the industry didn't want to be seen as needed to check for radiation etc they didn't tell the families and took the stuff anyway. numbers may vary but this is the nuclear industries MO.

SeanW

lostexpectation wrote:

no sorry seanw as with the previous report I highlighted the nuclear industry is deliberatly misleading

That's not what you said.

Here's what you DID say:

It seems it may have been part of (hostile) compensation claim

If you had said that it definately was a hostile anti-compensation move, I would have asked you to back that assertion up, and I would have also asked you to explain this:

British Nuclear Fuels Ltd (BNFL) said the tissue was "stored appropriately" until destroyed during research.

Stressing the issue was "historic not current", a BNFL spokesman said: "The sampling of autopsy material began in the 1960s and ceased in the early 1990s. Files exist at Sellafield for 65 cases. An examination of the data has shown that in 56 of those cases the sampling was done associated with coroners' post mortems or inquests.

"In five other cases it was done under instruction from other legally correct bases, such as family solicitors. For the remaining four cases there is no record of instruction or consent on file although this does not mean that appropriate requests were not made.

It's very possible that those 4 cases date back to the beginning and the paperwork might have been lost.

this wasn't a clerical error this was part of hostile compensation case

I haven't seen anything to prove this, in any case I imagine the findings of the inquiry which will be setup to get the truth, will make for interesting reading.

needed to check for radiation etc they didn't tell the families and took the stuff anyway.

You would also want to ask why the coroner allowed this.

his is the nuclear industries MO

Doesn't change the facts, that this decision was taken at a time when civilian nuclear power was in its infancy (unlike coal which even then had had a couple of centuries to clean up its act). The entire atomic energy sector had just emerged out of military research labs and the technology and knowledge were both borderline primitive.

Of course some of the people along the way were going to show questionable judgement. That happens in every sector without exception. This practice was ended 15 years ago and many of the doctors, coroners and presumably the decision makers behind it have since retired and died.