Jacpot Friday Night - Big mistakes OOP in the PLO

Killme00

We are playing 8 handed and i have circa €1200 in front of me. Villian has just busted fish and has me well covered.

I am in the SB with JJ88 double suited spades and diamonds
Villian is on the button. The action is raised to 25 with 5 caller including me ( should i reraise, i generally dont reraise with this sort of hand, especially OOP but am open to suggestions)

Flop: 892 rainbow (€125)

I bet the pot ( i would normally check raise here, but the table has become quite passive over the last few orbits ), 2 Folds and Villian calls (with a minumum of 2 pair).

Turn: 10 completes rainbow (€375)

Heres the mistake...i bet €125, Villian ponders and then calls

River: 10 (€625)

I bet €125 (i was planning this being a stopper bet), Villlian obviously percieves this as weekness and raises me to €500

I fold and villian shows 89XX for 2 pair.

How badly did i play the turn (if i bet pot he folds) and river here and would anyone call on the river????

DeadParrot

Turn was horrible.......
River was :eek:

5starpool

Turn I think either a check or a pot bet with set+blockers is the order of the day. River was a horrible bet, and having bet it I make a crying call when raised to that amount. Whoever your opponent in this hand is he sounds either bad or else someone who likes to gamble if he called the turn bet (weak as it was) with middle 2 pair only, unless he had a draw as well, but even then I don't like it.

Preflop I play it the same way, especially in a game where you are likely to get a couple of callers if you pump it to over 100.

eoghan104

I think you know yourself where the trouble is. The bet on the turn is awful. If your gona bet bet the pot but i prefer a check call here and also on the river as played i check call.

Edit: Damn you dom your too quick!

Flipper

It's an awful call by him on the turn. I would play the same as you preflop unless there was a deep-stacked nit that I could get HU with.

I would check raise that flop for sure. He would defo have bet that with top two anyway yes? If he's a total donk, you'll get it in on the flop and be moderatly happy about it. If he just calls, I don't hate the turn.... I probably bet it anyway as if he's callingthe flop, he's calling with TJxx rather that 78xx so I can't fancy that the 10 made a straight.

Your river bet was weird... Check to him and let him bluff here. There's no way he had 99xx going out and you are unlucky if he backed into a big house. Can't believe you folded here though. I never would.

DeadParrot

Flipper wrote:

Your river bet was weird... Check to him and let him bluff here. There's no way he had 99xx going out and you are unlucky if he backed into a big house. Can't believe you folded here though. I never would.

Thanks Flipper I was gonna say the same but as a new PLO player I wasnt sure if I'd get cursed from a height

Killme00

DeadParrot wrote:

Thanks Flipper I was gonna say the same but as a new PLO player I wasnt sure if I'd get cursed from a height

I agree..my river bet was wierd...stupid stupid bet...i find it very tough to play hands like this OOP moreso in PLo than i would in HE. I agree that i should check call the river and maybe check raise the flop, but im still stuck on the turn

AS_PokerKing

Killme00 wrote:

I agree..my river bet was wierd...stupid stupid bet...i find it very tough to play hands like this OOP moreso in PLo than i would in HE. I agree that i should check call the river and maybe check raise the flop, but im still stuck on the turn

not really an omaha player, but wat were u afraid of ???? 10's full ???

u had a house... right ?

Killme00

AS_PokerKing wrote:

not really an omaha player, but wat were u afraid of ???? 10's full ???

u had a house... right ?

Yes i had a house, but i played the hand so very badly that i was sure i was behind on the river. I was OOP and my turn bet didnt ask him too many questions at all, so i was playing the river in the dark and had to assume i was behind.

ianmc38

I love the river bet if it's with the intention of calling any raise. Betting that amount and folding is absolutely horrible.

5starpool

AS_PokerKing wrote:

not really an omaha player, but wat were u afraid of ???? 10's full ???

u had a house... right ?

A likely holding for his opponent is TJxx, where x might easily be a 9,8 or 2, so tens full is quite possible.

Goodluck2me

i doubt it would be +ev re-raising a DP hand OOP even in that game. better not to bloat the pot OOP with a fairly limited hand, drawing to a lot of non-nut hands.
I like the call, you can check call the turn if you like but unless they called the flop with a hand like KQJT your probably ahead, the river though should be a good card for you, in that you have re-overtaken the hands you fell behind on the turn with and are in a similar position to the hands on the flop. the only new hadns would be maybe QJT9 which would be v unlikely. i like a check call on the river - especially in PL as it means his river bluff is less expensive and we get to showdowns cheaper.

RoundTower

I'd probably reraise preflop, I don't like playing out of position but this is a really good hand to play a big pot with as your hand is quite disguised and very strong against no matter how many players. I recommend you just call though.

Villian calls (with a minumum of 2 pair)

what does this mean, why are you asking us what hand he could hold if you know he must have 2 pair minimum. Generally in this spot I think he probably has a straight draw of some sort because calling is something people do with draws. I think you played the flop well anyway, if they were more aggro I would check more often.

On the turn I usually bet again, I prefer to bet more because he might call with a worse hand or fold a better one (like 78). You have a lot of jacks so he probably doesn't have any. Sometimes I checkraise or check call. Generally I know if my opponents are likely to bet a wide range here or not because I pay some attention to their tendencies and post my reads if I make a post about a hand.

Also the river is really easy to play for me because I pay some attention to my opponents' tendencies. I usually bet just because I might get paid off by a worse hand like a straight, then I usually fold to a raise because people don't like raising here without the nuts. But if he is aggressive enough to raise here very often as a bluff then I call.

What this boils down to is it's not really about being good at Omaha it's about paying attention to your opponents. You have 3 tough-ish decision spots in this hand, they are genuinely not easy spots but they are almost never tough for me. Not because I am great at PLO but because I try to know my opponents' tendencies.