The Donk bet epidemic on iPoker

NickyOD

WTF? happened. Why are 80% of the players in the iPoker cash games donk betting out of position all the time? I've never seen a phenomenon spread so fast in such a short time.

Last week it was just the occasional idiot. Now it's 4 out of 5 players on every table I play on. This aint poker.

Imposter

NickyOD wrote:

WTF? happened. Why are 80% of the players in the iPoker cash games donk betting out of position all the time? I've never seen a phenomenon spread so fast in such a short time.

Last week it was just the occasional idiot. Now it's 4 out of 5 players on every table I play on. This aint poker.

What situations do you mean when you say betting oop? Do you mean betting the turn or river on a pot that nobody seems to want or do you mean betting into a preflop raiser or what?

If it's the betting into the preflop raiser I've been seeing that a lot lately too and I'm unsure how to handle it. When someone does it on a low board it seems quite obvious what the bets trying to acheive but on a board with a few high cards (even possible an A) I'm not sure what this bet means.

DapperGent

Running well?

Hectorjelly

What do you mean by donk bet? And what stakes do you mean?

Do you mean betting very small into massive pots consistantly? Or Leading out into a pfr?

Lafortezza

How's the luck lately Nicky?

Bet-3bet is the new check-raise.

El Stuntman

NickyOD wrote:

This aint poker.

I love this quote, it makes it sound like there is a 'correct' way to play

Glowingmind

El Stuntman wrote:

I love this quote, it makes it sound like there is a 'correct' way to play

There is, It's exactly the opposite of how i play.

J8o - Raise!

Q9o - Raise!

LuckyLloyd

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BigCityBanker

ocallagh had quite an extensive thread on this about 3 months ago.

jhegarty

I am only going to say this once:

DONKEYS ARE A GOOD THING

Fatboydim

What I've found on ipoker is that there is an awful lot of limping and min raises pre-flop. Position is disregarded. A lot of fishing for flushes and straights that don't hit as often as Tribeca. And that's just me!!!!

Mr.Plough

see my sig

ianmc38

Im pretty sure he's referring to the donking into the pfr. Happens to me 100 times a night at this stage.

I've started to fold alot more to it as everytime i raise, they seem to push.

califano

El Stuntman wrote:

I love this quote, it makes it sound like there is a 'correct' way to play

He got that one off Liam Flood.

bohsman

ianmc38 wrote:

Im pretty sure he's referring to the donking into the pfr. Happens to me 100 times a night at this stage.

I've started to fold alot more to it as everytime i raise, they seem to push.

Yea think thats about it, used to be an auto raise, now they push most of the time. About as frustrating as getting check min raised, just have to learn to deal with it.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

i can't play on ipoker atm, so I don't have a huge amount of hours in, but whenever they'd donk bet I'd triple their raise and they'd fold. ez.

but I guess the state of poker is very dynamic and these thinking players have adapted to my play and are now 4betting light. :rolleyes: meh.

just c-bet less and call them down light or something.

empirix

Personally i am just playing tight and not bluffing at all, bar when totally obvious villain has bugger all. Still getting paid on most hands i do play although I am playing longer periods waiting to make the same profits, be prepared to take hits now and again (as always!)

sikes

Of course its poker, how can it not be? You just have to learn what it means and adjust your strategy.

ntlbell

Personally what's more annoying is the use of "value town" and from here on in any who chooses to use it should get a one week ban.

hollah yall.

LuckyLloyd

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Jesus Wept

ntlbell wrote:

Personally what's more annoying is the use of "value town" and from here on in any who chooses to use it should get a one week ban.

hollah yall.

I thought it was a good addition

I can't decide if it should be to the tune of the 80's song: 'funky town' i.e 'let me take you tooooo , value townnnn'


or , the bargaintown ads

'Cmon down to VALUE TOWNNNN, Where the prices are only famous...'


etc, any other suggestions :rolleyes:

ocallagh

I don't remember posting anything too extensive or anything. I just remember teaching a friend at low stakes and whenever he caught a small bit of the flop (regardless of position/pre flop action/hand strength etc) he would bet small, normally the minimum however he would never push if raised as ianmc has mentioned.

There is a donk bet (above) but I don't think that is what ianmc is referring to. This new thing seems to be some sort of strategy now on ipoker. I have seen it on mansion too.

What I have noticed on Mansion: If people are betting small into PFR's or OOP or whatever, and then pushing, they are doing it with medium to high strength hands, draws and maybe the occasional bluff. It's adapting to the (somewhat new) aggressive style employed by a lot of regular players. It allows them to get the final bet in on the flop maximising FE and also removing the need to play a turn or river (akin to Kill Phil). It's probably not a bad strategy if buying in short on an aggressive table.

I still think if you have something call and take a cheap look at the turn (edit: and if they are doing it a LOT widen your calling range). If you have nothing fold. If you have a strong hand then raise (edit: also if they are doing it a lot widen this range too). This will combat both types of donk bets IMO.

Clareman

I've noticed this as well (now after my post most of you will see me as a donk anyway , but I think there is 2 important factors at play.

A) People don't have the quick click buttons anymore and are pushing, they don't mean to, they just don't know what to properly bet.

As you don't have to show your hands at show down anymore people are risking it

NickyOD

DapperGent wrote:

Running well?

ehm, yeah fine, thanks for asking.

BTW you contribute nothing to the poker forum and no one likes you.

DeadParrot

Its the all in button...its too shiny for some people.
As mentioned above they dont know what to bet so the button is their crutch

NickyOD

Hectorjelly wrote:

What do you mean by donk bet? And what stakes do you mean?

Do you mean betting very small into massive pots consistantly? Or Leading out into a pfr?

leading out into the pfr for the minimum or like $6 into a $34 pot. It's not usually dificult to deal with. It's just that now everyone is doing it with sets, to top pair, to bottom pair to complete air. Why does every player on iPoker think this is a good idea all of a sudden.

AmarilloFats

NickyOD wrote:

leading out into the pfr for the minimum or like $6 into a $34 pot. It's not usually dificult to deal with. It's just that now everyone is doing it with sets, to top pair, to bottom pair to complete air. Why does every player on iPoker think this is a good idea all of a sudden.

Ssoo you mean the weak lead!:)

Ste05

This is wrecking my head at the moment too, in the past it was nearly always a kind of feeler bet with some kind of weakish made hand and they would nearly always fold to a re-raise, but now it's something else and I just try to take notes on each player to see what it means, Similarly I'm getting pushed over the top of far too much at the moment, I'm also not sure what to do with it, and so this is a very interesting thread.

NickyOD

Ste05 wrote:

This is wrecking my head at the moment too, in the past it was nearly always a kind of feeler bet with some kind of weakish made hand and they would nearly always fold to a re-raise, but now it's something else and I just try to take notes on each player to see what it means, Similarly I'm getting pushed over the top of far too much at the moment, I'm also not sure what to do with it, and so this is a very interesting thread.

It's a lot like dealing with min raises. You just have to keep taking notes on the players doing it. The real fun starts when the guy who's been doing it with ace high all the time starts flopping real hands and keeps doing the same thing.

Ste05

Agreed, my main problem is I'm not getting to too many showdowns at present and playing so many tables it's hard to concentrate on hands I'm not involved in for taking notes especially with the speed of iPoker :mad:. Grrrrrr we need some kind of huge notes database on Fish and what their weak donk bets and min-raises mean... If only they stuck around long enough to make it worth while.

ianmc38

We should start a thread like the Official <insert pokersite name> Regular threads on 2+2

Ste05

ianmc38 wrote:

We should start a thread like the Official <insert pokersite name> Regular threads on 2+2

Agreed, and then just put in a space somewhere in the name to slightly disguise the name from google searches.

e.g. ianm.c38

ianmc38

Ste05 wrote:

Agreed, and then just put in a space somewhere in the name to slightly disguise the name from google searches.

e.g. ianm.c38

yeah exactly

ianmc38

The-Rigger wrote:

I thought it was a good addition

I can't decide if it should be to the tune of the 80's song: 'funky town' i.e 'let me take you tooooo , value townnnn'


or , the bargaintown ads

'Cmon down to VALUE TOWNNNN, Where the prices are only famous...'


etc, any other suggestions :rolleyes:

Totally agree. I think value town is a great addition.

ntlbell

ianmc38 wrote:

Totally agree. I think value town is a great addition.

"Watcha gonna do? When the 24 inch pythons and Hulkamania destroy you!" -Hulk Hogan

Sorry but it does sound like something from wrestlemania

Ste05

ntlbell wrote:

"Watcha gonna do? When the 24 inch pythons and Hulkamania destroy you!" -Hulk Hogan

Sorry but it does sound like something from wrestlemania

Is that a bad thing??