Is this a standard call?

pok3rplaya

Villian is reasonable TAG. I've been 3betting with usual regularity. Cant remember if I have any history with this guy though. Nothing major anyway.


***** Hand History for Game 5881735126 *****
$ 400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, April 16, 17:18:32 ET 2007
Table Jackpot #1304207 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: lolImAmerican ( $ 534.40 USD )
Seat 4: OneStepCloser ( $ 410.75 USD )
Seat 3: urallfish2me ( $ 549.80 USD )
Seat 1: otterkopf ( $ 428 USD )
Seat 5: texanos ( $ 93.15 USD )
Seat 2: vanBoetzelaer ( $ 295.25 USD )
texanos posts small blind [$ 2 USD].
lolImAmerican posts big blind [$ 4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolImAmerican [ As Qd ]
otterkopf folds.
vanBoetzelaer folds.
urallfish2me folds.
OneStepCloser raises [$ 14 USD]
texanos folds.
lolImAmerican raises [$ 52 USD]
OneStepCloser calls [$ 42 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 7s, Qc ]
lolImAmerican bets [$ 65 USD]
OneStepCloser calls [$ 65 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
lolImAmerican checks.
OneStepCloser is all-In.

lazlo

Yuck... I honestly don't think so. I'd probably lay this one down. What do you expect him to have if you decide to call?

Mr.Plough

edit. im calling here.


bet the turn?

Mr Magnolia

Tough one. I'd call the all-in, I put him on K J suited

dvdfan

If hes a reasonable TAG like you said then theres very little were ahead of that would do this all in. Could easily be KK or AA or a set and hes shown considerable strength.

Im sure the reason you checked the turn was because you werent so confident and wanted to check call the rest of the hand down and he might have smelt weakness here and decided to semi bluff with a draw but i wouldnt be confident enough with that hand. If he is the type to make that big of a bluff when you show weakness you can use that to trap him later on.

Mr.Plough

the turn check reeks of weakness and isnt he re-raising aa kk pf?

if he has a set what can you do i suppose

pok3rplaya

Mr.Plough wrote:

isnt he re-raising aa kk pf?

re-read the hand?

sikes

your flop lead and check is super weak so I could prob find a call, though its very close. Im sure he is pushing AK preflop, so we are only looking at PPs.

would you ever check the flop?

Mr.Plough

pok3rplaya wrote:

re-read the hand?

i did.


again, isnt the villain rr aa kk pf?

im just ruling out hands that beat you.

pok3rplaya

sikes wrote:

would you ever check the flop?

yes ~40% of the time.

fuzzbox

He has to be fvcking with you a lot for you to withstand this action.
Its a fold vs any "normal" player, who has you toasted here pretty much everytime.

Ste05

I think you really have to call here, I think his range is probably quite wide, it's a button raise, a 3-bet from a habitual 3-better then a flat call, a standard cont. bet, and call in position. You check so I think he nearly has to push with whatever he has.

I can see us being beaten here alot. I can see him playing a set and KK+ like this, but I can also see him doing this with all kinds of other hands too. I'd think it's probably a breakeven to slightly -/+EV call, so obviously I also don't think folding is bad either. I'd probably just try to use how the flow of the game was going to decide what to do... I certainly hoped you called very sticky spot.

ianmc38

This is a tough spot. I think you'll see KK/AA alot here.At the same time, I think you'll see 99-JJ alot too. Meh, flip a coin.

Captain Tom

sick spot.as played i think i call.i can see you being behind here an awful lot though.either way i think its fairly neutral EV wise.

RacingSilver

I think it's a fairly easy call.
For it to be EV neutral, you only need to be right 36% of the time.
From your opponents viewpoint, your standard continuation bet after the flop
plus your check on the turn could indicate weakness. So he probably has you
on a wide range of hands, and may think that this is a good spot to try and
take the pot away from you. I think that this fact, plus the possibility that he
may have Jacks or Nines brings it above the magic 36% of hands that you
can beat !

If he had a big hand like tens or queens, I think he would give you another
chance to bet on the river, or else bet enough to give you insufficient odds
of filling an inside straight on the river (if you had AK or AJ).

gosplan

Unless he's getting really tricky I can't see what he has that beats you here.

Perhaps a set but would you really go AI after a weak check? Can't see much value in it to be honest(as I said, unless he's really tricky)

Big draw sounds more likely.

pok3rplaya

All right, thanks for all the responses. Here's something I did on Pokerstove.

Board: 6h 7s Qc
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	56.540%  	46.58% 	09.96% 	         13833 	     2959.50   { AsQd }
Hand 1: 	43.460%  	33.49% 	09.96% 	          9948 	     2959.50   { TT+, AQs, KQs, AQo }

I have a question about this though. Do I need to go in and take oit some of his hands because I have the As and Qd in my hand or is Pokerstove doing that for me already?

MrPillowTalk

I nearly allways call here at 10/20+, about 50% of the time at 5/10, but against a standard tightish 2/4 player Im folding allways obviously if there was some history that would change.

valor

if you guys havent been battling you should fold

pok3rplaya

Ok so what if the turn is a rag?

valor

well if the turn was like a 2 I still think you should fold but it becomes closer

the thing is that he has to have a complete bluff here for us to be good because he will/should check behind pretty much everything we beat, KQ, JJ, 99 beacuse otherwise he would be turning his made into a bluff which is something reasonable tags arent usually capable of doing.
i cant see him peeling that flop with a complete bluffing hand, i think he has sets,QQ+ or a split most of the time

Hitman Actual

pok3rplaya wrote:

I have a question about this though. Do I need to go in and take oit some of his hands because I have the As and Qd in my hand or is Pokerstove doing that for me already?

Don't worry about it, Pokerstove just ignores his combinations that your AQ affects.

fuzzbox

pok3rplaya wrote:

All right, thanks for all the responses. Here's something I did on Pokerstove.

Board: 6h 7s Qc
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	56.540%  	46.58% 	09.96% 	         13833 	     2959.50   { AsQd }
Hand 1: 	43.460%  	33.49% 	09.96% 	          9948 	     2959.50   { TT+, AQs, KQs, AQo }

I have a question about this though. Do I need to go in and take oit some of his hands because I have the As and Qd in my hand or is Pokerstove doing that for me already?

You cannot say that he is a good TAG and then assign him this range : { TT+, AQs, KQs, AQo }

Why not assign him this range
{66, 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA}
And see how you do?