Monster over bet on Flop who calls????

Ste05

Texas Hold'em NL $1.00/$2.00
Seat 1: Highwayman2 ($148.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Hjortefoten ($196.65 in chips)
Seat 5: Dedeal ($453.90 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: Ste05 ($200.00 in chips)
Seat 8: flyspy ($214.00 in chips)
Seat 10: askvinny ($89.00 in chips)
Ste05: Post SB $1.00
flyspy: Post BB $2.00
Hjortefoten: Post SB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ste05 [Ad Qh]
askvinny: Fold
Highwayman2: Call $2.00
Hjortefoten: Fold
Dedeal: Fold
Ste05: Raise $12.00
flyspy: Fold
Highwayman2: Call $11.00
*** FLOP *** [Ah Jd Js]
Ste05: Check
Highwayman2: Bet $135.30
Ste05?????

OK Villain at this stage was around 75/3/1 or there abouts over only about 20 hands or so. I had only just sat down so was playing tight establishing my TAG image. I hadn't really done anything yet.

shoutman

I'd just fold and move on.... he might have a jack thinking you have an ace and hoping you will pay him off because he is acting the eejit.

phantom_lord

foldski

5starpool

Quite likely he has a worse A tbh, but I don't know if a random punter has it enough to be profitable. I would usually err on the side of caution and fold as you don't have much invested in it, but it is hard to know if this is one of those "he'll never put me on a J if I push type hands".

RoundTower

Ste05 wrote:

OK Villain at this stage was around 75/3/1 or there abouts over only about 20 hands or so. I had only just sat down so was playing tight establishing my TAG image. I hadn't really done anything yet.

OK, so you've seen about 15 pots he played, how did he play in those hands?

bops

i'd call just to see wtf he has!

imo it's a 50/50 and you're priced in! - i'm turning into an awful calling station lately

gl

Dantes

I'd fold because I would hate myself for about 3 hours if he had a jack, but only for 5 mins if I fold, but can I ask why you didn't continuation bet, I'm still lern-ding when and when not to... trapping? worried about a jack? oop pot control?

sorry to de-rail slightly...

Lissavalley

I dont think he has a J however I fold and let him hang himself later in when I have a bigger hand.

Ste05

RoundTower wrote:

OK, so you've seen about 15 pots he played, how did he play in those hands?

Well I wasn't paying great attention to him, I was playing a few other tables, but he was a complete donkey, open limping into most pots, calling raises, I didn't have any real reads on him other than he was my second mark at the table.

Ste05

Dantes wrote:

I'd fold because I would hate myself for about 3 hours if he had a jack, but only for 5 mins if I fold, but can I ask why you didn't continuation bet, I'm still lern-ding when and when not to... trapping? worried about a jack? oop pot control?

sorry to de-rail slightly...

It's just because one of us had very few outs and I'm out of position, I'm not looking to get all-in with my hand here (in the normal manner). If I bet I'll usually only get action from a J.

bops

now i think he has A4 or KT or 66 or some sh*t like that and i'm definetly calling - if he has AK or Jx he is a complete muppet (which has me worried again due to his description!)

poker = lol

EDIT: i'm going to bed in a min (sissy!) - tells us soon ste ty! - if you fold and don't see i'm gonna be v upset

Ste05

I know what he had, so I either called or he showed , results in the morning, I'll let some more replies come in.

RoundTower

Ste05 wrote:

It's just because one of us had very few outs and I'm out of position, I'm not looking to get all-in with my hand here (in the normal manner). If I bet I'll usually only get action from a J.

sounds like this guy might give you action with any ace/any gutshot/any pair. He is more likely to have an A than a J. Normally checking these spots is OK but here I think you have a clear value bet.

bops

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

pm me!!

obsessive compulsive disorder sucks

ps goodnight!!

ianmc38

I think calling aganst that particular guy is fine.

valor

i prob call here

Captain Tom

i think i call but its pretty marginal.seen this kinda value overbet done a lot online but if he showed up Ax it wouldnt surprise me much either.also p/f raise is unneccessarily big.

delanec8

Everytime ive looked up this type of bet from a donk recently it has been the equivalent of a jack in this hand, but i still find it hard to fold:)

cardshark202

Yeah I call here.

ozpoker

My tendency is to fold to bets like these until I know what they mean to this particular player. IME, these sort of bets mean the nuts more often than a move from unknown players.

-Oz-

breadmonkey

I don't know what site this is but I had a guy called highwayman2 buddy listed back when I played .05/.10 and .10/.20 on Tribeca.

Ste05

This was on iPoker so it could be the same fella.

I called anyway and he had 108o. I just really couldn't see a guy who was pretty clueless about Poker doing something like this with a J here. Had I played with this guy some more, I actually would have snap called this bet, but at the time I agonised over the decision right up til I was getting beeped at, and decided that I was good here.

Although, as we all know, Unlimited Hold Them rewards bold aggressive plays and he was rightfully rewarded with one of the 3 combo's of perfect cards for his holding to take down the pot. NH WP

shoutman

Nice call , bad beat !

El Stuntman

Ste05 wrote:

Although, as we all know, Unlimited Hold Them rewards bold aggressive plays and he was rightfully rewarded with one of the 3 combo's of perfect cards for his holding to take down the pot. NH WP

I feel sick, please post full HH

Ste05

El Stuntman wrote:

I feel sick, please post full HH

Running 10's, it actually took me a second to see why he was getting shipped the pot when I saw that he didn't have a J or AK...

LuckyLloyd

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El Stuntman

Ste05 wrote:

Running 10's, it actually took me a second to see why he was getting shipped the pot when I saw that he didn't have a J or AK...

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bops

give something to the variance fairy!! stooopid fuking game

5starpool

I hope he has buddy listed you for the fish that you are. How did you not know you were miles behind his well disguised 10's full?

Ste05

Well I suppose it's my own fault for not using one of these new fangled pattern mappers I've read so much about

shoutman

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pocket-ACES-EVERY-Hand-Poker-CHEAT-MONEY-LEAGAL_W0QQitemZ160106776057QQihZ006QQcategoryZ88433QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Not quite pattern mapping but bound to work some of the time.... lol.