STT hand, ak early on

carlop

No previous history on villain and too early in tourney to have much info

PokerStars Game #9440838792: Tournament #47935885, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/15 - 18:42:54 (ET)
Table '47935885 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Tejano9 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: SBXX (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: HermosaBeach (1540 in chips)
Seat 4: d503yz (980 in chips)
Seat 5: poppo72 (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: SlingingRock (2060 in chips)
Seat 7: BreweRonnie (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: Jigs=DnkFish (1530 in chips)
Seat 9: twhjterry (1440 in chips)
poppo72: posts small blind 10
SlingingRock: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to poppo72 [Kd Ac]
BreweRonnie: folds
Jigs=DnkFish: folds
twhjterry: raises 40 to 60
Tejano9: calls 60
SBXX: folds
HermosaBeach: calls 60
d503yz: calls 60
poppo72: raises 300 to 360
SlingingRock: folds
twhjterry: folds
Tejano9: calls 300
HermosaBeach: folds
d503yz: folds
*** FLOP *** [4h 3s 6c]
poppo72: checks
Tejano9: bets 1140 and is all-in
action? - should i always c-bet on the flop? My thinking for not doing so was that if it didnt get through i was extremely short early on, giving me no chips to get aggressive when blinds got higher and field thinner

Mr.Plough

i always bet that flop. raising so much pf and checking a raggy flop stinks of a missed ak aq. if youve an overpair youre always betting the flop in this situation so why check now if this is what your representing?

now you have to decide whether the villain is good enough to put you on missed overcards and knows that you cant call a shove.

or is he a donk who will just shove when he hits?

if he has a strong hand wouldn't he bet for value rather than shove?

he's doing this with air here alot but i dont think you can call this early on.


whereas if you lead the flop its an easy fold to a shove.



also i dont bet as much pf, maybe 200 or so, allowing you to cbet comfortably

dvdfan

I dont like to RR so much here Out Of Position, your building a nice pot then playing it OOP and unless you hit the flop (which you wont always) your going to find it hard to win this hand with Ace high so im happy enough to call the raise and see what the flop brings as a small raise here is just inviting a call with so many limpers.

Get the impression that the villain has a mid PP and hes trying to protect it and hence the overbet on the flop, so in this case the continuation on the flop was not likely to succeed but normally if your RR here you should represent a Big Pair here with a continuation bet if hes not a calling station. Trouble is youve raised so much here that youll need to bet 400+ on that flop and hes only folding if he has an unpaired hand anything else and he could come over the top and half your chips are gone.

Sorry didnt see mr.ploughs reply, same as mine although in this scenario with the limpers RR to 200 your giving the original raiser 7/2 and if he calls the other 2 are getting great odds to call then so id rather just call this unless i had position.

phantom_lord

lead out after 3betting pf. rep that big pair.

carlop

yeah i'm annoyed with myself for getting into a big pot oop with an awkward holding, and the size of the pf raise was with the intention of taking it down right there. On the flop i felt any decent sized c-bet had me almost pot committed, i suppose i shouldnt have left myself in such a position. Cheers for the feedback

poorbarman

preflop I often just call here.Very easy to get away from if u miss.
Dont be investing too much early on with unmade hands.
As played raise 300 too much maybe 175/200.Bet flop if raised easy fold

dvdfan

poorbarman wrote:

As played raise 300 too much maybe 175/200.Bet flop if raised easy fold

Would RR to 175-200 not be bad here. If the original raiser calls the re-raise the last 2 have to call as there getting huge odds 9/2+, so your left with a big multiway pot with AK and AK doesnt hold up to well in a multiway pot so even if you hit and get big action your folding unless you hit the flop hard.

I would prefer, if i was forced to choose between the two, to raise to 360 rather than to raise to 200 as this way your likely to get heads up with a much better chance on the flop.

Whats your opinions??

Mr.Plough

if you raise 360+, and including a c/bet on the flop of around 600 into a 900 pot, thats nearly two thirds of your stack so your committed

actually raising only 200 pf doesnt make much difference either.


more i think about it the more i like flat calling pf.


or you could ship it for simplicitys sake