Michael McDowell

The_Minister

I heard that Michael McDowell is speaking in Trinity this week?
When is it?
Could a non-Trinity student get in?

shay_562

He's speaking to the Hist on Wednesday at 7.30 PM in the GMB, on the motion "That This House Would Re-Elect The Government". I'm not entirely sure whether non-Trinity students can attend - I'd say so (though you would need to join the society, which costs €4), but I'll check it out and post back here tomorrow night with a definite answer.

Oirthir

Seven words - "Whoops I forgot my student card, sorry"

shay_562

Which can, at certain debates, be met with 8 words back: "Sorry, we can't let you in without it." Not that we try to be assholes (most of the time); it's more that, for emotive issues where people can get violent or disruptive, letting in random people off the street can be a bad idea. For example, Youth Defense activists coming along to an abortion debate tends to end badly. I seriously doubt we'll be that strict about it for the election debate (though we do have Mary Lou McDonald representing the IRA/Sinn Féin, so things could get heated, which is why I qualified the "yes" above). Equally, if it's looking like packing out (I think the GMB chamber has a size limit of around 250ish), students will obviously get priority over non-students. Still, like I said, I'll give a definite answer tomorrow.

Moorsy

From my experience it depends on the event. If its a discussion/interview/lecture type thing such as Tony Benn anybody can come. Half the people there, for Tony Benn, where from Left wing organisations from around Dublin. Although for debates cards are checked sometimes, depends what the demand is like. If you know anybody just borrow their hist card...or ask Niall nicely and smile ; )

shay_562

or ask Niall nicely and smile ; )

If that smile comes with money, then your chances double.

OK, official word is that non-students may be allowed in depending on how full the hall is - TCD students will be given priority, then at around 7.30 or so when the debate is starting any randomers who come along will be let in to fill the gaps. Harsh, but understandable given the whole "student society" thing.

(If any of the many people who monitor my posts on boards see something wrong with this, or if I picked things up wrong tonight, feel free to PM me and I'll correct it.)

Pet

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Big Brother is watching you?

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To all my adoring fans in the silent, unregistered mass: please, introduce yourself.

Pet

Pet wrote:

Big Brother is watching you?

And now, Roro's Tangent Time: I always wonder about people who have never met me, and yet read my posts on boards. What must they think of me? How do they imagine me? Do they see me walking around campus and think "Oh, there's Pet, I wonder what he's going to post next?". Cos that's a bit creepy.

To all my adoring fans in the silent, unregistered mass: please, introduce yourself.

Well, for one, people assume you're female

Moorsy

Could the Hist be derecognised by college if somebody alerted security to a public meeting, which it could be deemed as, and they stormed the room and found many non-tcd students?

I know I've run into trouble for trying to organise a conference that would involve people coming in from outside college and have had heard the notion that if we were found to be doing it behind college's back we may get derecognised as a society.

Obviously its not as biggest and prestigious as the Hist but is the allegation true? If a society holds an event and 50% of the people present are not students or members of the society, the society may get a good kick up the arse?

Time Magazine

Moorsy wrote:

Could the Hist be derecognised by college if somebody alerted security to a public meeting, which it could be deemed as, and they stormed the room and found many non-tcd students?

Bollix. Anyone can be derecognised, but not because they have non-TCD students present.

There might be a security issue regarding having non-TCD members on campus or something stupid like that, but societies can invite anyone they live to their gigs.

Sparks

Bollix. Anyone can be derecognised, but not because they have non-TCD students present.

Ask the Rifle Club what happened when they asked if National Squad members who were students in RCSI could train as guests on the DURC range...

PHB

The issue is always about security, on most average debates you could show up, not be a student, and nobody would care, but if security feels there is an issue, they will demand that student cards are checked.
This happens are controversial type debates like Abortion, or controversial guests, like Bertie.

xeduCat

Ibid wrote:

There might be a security issue regarding having non-TCD members on campus or something stupid like that, but societies can invite anyone they live to their gigs.

That's correct in practice on a day-to-day basis, but do be aware that the actual formal position is that there is 'no general right' of outsiders to even enter through the gates...and that special rules apply to events inside College that take place in the open air involving outsiders (above and beyond normal rules that allow all events (whether indoor/outdoor) to be pulled by the Senior Dean on security grounds etc). I recall some controversy in the past over the advertisement of events (meaning in this case anything beyond private correspondence, such as leaflets, posters, Web notices etc) outside College without prior notice, although I think that may be a custom rather than a written rule.

Sparks

Sparks wrote:

Ask the Rifle Club what happened when they asked if National Squad members who were students in RCSI could train as guests on the DURC range...

Thats an insurance and legal issue.

Sparks

original_psycho wrote:

Thats an insurance and legal issue.

Which is a cop-out you know.
We hosted the 25yd Nationals one year; no problem.
We hosted the DURC 10m Air Rifle open on campus in Luce hall for years; no problem.
We ask for permission for a national squad shooter who's a student in RCSI and who has her own personal insurance with CAI to be allowed to come down and train; suddenly there are insurance problems.
And yet when I asked five years ago what our insurance setup was for our shooters on ranges outside campus for the Nationals, noone could even find the policy to check?

Pah.

And it's not the first time DURC's asked, and when we asked when I was on committee, it wasn't the first time either. The answer changes almost every time you ask.

And what legal problem did they cite this time?

I was told that we had no insurance to cover people who are not college members.

Sparks

And I was told we had no insurance to cover college members who went to competitions or who injured themselves on the range.

None of which is a reason why someone with CAI or NARGC insurance shouldn't be allowed to train with us.

And this isn't a small technical point - if they were allowed train with us, we'd qualify for the Department of Arts, Sports and Tourism Capital Grant Scheme, which would let the club do huge things with the range.

InFront

Sparks wrote:

We ask for permission for a national squad shooter who's a student in RCSI and who has her own personal insurance with CAI to be allowed to come down and train; suddenly there are insurance problems.

That is weird. I'm an RCSI registered student but involved with a research project in TCD, and I can use the lab facilities, in fact I must use their lab facilities as the programme is based here.
I was under the impression that being a student of the overall Dublin University sorted out any insurance issues? In short, what happens if I blow my arms off in a chemical explosion? Presumably there are insurance problems that I don't know about.... better be careful so

We have insurance for students taking part in sporting activities at away competitions.

College has no insurance if a non student decided to sue for whatever reason.. thats what I was told.

IFA also offer insurance, and it is a better deal then CAI as it has legal insurance (not included under CAI)

Sparks

We have insurance for students taking part in sporting activities at away competitions.

I was specifically told, when I specifically asked about that point, that if a student was injured either on the campus range or at an away range, that it was their VHI paid for medical costs and that beyond that, there was no insurance to cover them. The only insurance was for third parties on the campus range.
Which ironically, would be the only insurance not actually needed to let outsiders shoot on the range under CAI/IFA/NARGC insurance.

xeduCat

InFront wrote:

That is weird. I'm an RCSI registered student but involved with a research project in TCD, and I can use the lab facilities, in fact I must use their lab facilities as the programme is based here.

Yup, and there are particular arrangements between Trinity and the RCSI on a variety of projects - these probably have standalone arrangements that specifically form part of the cooperation agreement signed by the institutions. Normally where there's a will there's a way, and any insurance stuff can be dealt with (although sometimes there are cost implications - sometimes not, I remember walking from Coyle Hamilton with libel insurance for £1.5 million (old pounds, kids) in my pocket and it took me ten minutes and no money to get it...)

I was under the impression that being a student of the overall Dublin University sorted out any insurance issues?

You're probably not a student of the university (in practice in the present day university students are simply TCD registered students with ID cards) - and RCSI is not part of this university, it's affiliated of the National University of Ireland (the parent body for UCD/UCC/Maynooth/Galway and various others) which is a separate legal structure...

In short, what happens if I blow my arms off in a chemical explosion? Presumably there are insurance problems that I don't know about.... better be careful so

Nah, as I said normally this is worked out by the beancounters before joint arrangements are put in place so you'll be graaaand

Let me just assure people that the Rifle Club is a very safe environment and has never had an accident or an incident.
All of our Range officers are trained in saftey proceedures and are experienced.

In short, we are a very, very safe club

xeduCat

As for that croquet, though

xeduCat

xeduCat wrote:

As for that croquet, though

Careful now!! They have mallets!

CmcC

Technically non-student cannot attend and College can cause you a lot of trouble if they did a spot check. Society events can't be publicised as public events but only to the college community. However, of they did a spot check on an audience and found a lot of non-students, you could just clain that they are all invited guests of the society. Security might throw a wobbler but they can't argue with it. Then quickly make a list of names.....

John

What about college events held outside the college? Say a concert in a normal venue? Do the same rules apply?