Rulng Question

Clareman

This has been bugging me for a while, just want to know what you think.

Near bubble time in a live tournament. Player all in, called by the big stack, about 14k in play.

Big stack shows A 10, low stack shows A 2 (crazy all in I know).

Board shows 10 A K K 4. Low stack gets up, dealer goes to take the cards, another player at the table asks to wait to check, dealer pauses and then takes in the cards. TD is called, player (not involved), says that it's a split pot. TD agrees, but as the cards are mucked and the other player has left that the hand is over, but if the big stack wishes to give back the chips he can.

Now, I feel that this was unfair on the big stack, as there was a big crowd around the table. What do you think the rulling should have been?

DubTony

It's a slit pot. Don't give up your cards or let the dealer take them until you're sure of the result. And if there's a couple of guys calling a split and asking for rulings, don't go home, wait for the ruling. This guy must have been in a hurry.

If I'm the big stack and the TD tells me I can give back the chips if I want, I'll run out the door after the other guy and beg him to come back and carry on playing with my ... eh ...his chips. :rolleyes:

BIG-SLICK-POKER

Rulings right its one of those dodgy ones ... Once the pot is awarded its a tough call ... I have tosay cards speak they were turned over dealer made mistake ... All players including the player winnin the stack should be in agreement that it was a split ..

Ive seen this only once in the red cow on a monday and the dealer went running around the car park to get the player but he had left ........

Clareman

thanks guys, not having proper dealers is 1 of the major downfalls for most tournaments.

Saying that, I did win this 1 out

Goodluck2me

cards speak, you cant lose a pot with an upturned best hand.

Mellor

It doesn't matter if the pot was awarded, and who it was awarded to.
Its a split, end of.
And its in no way unfair on the big stack. The other guy has as much claim on the chips. If its unfair on anybody its on the shortstack.

AS_PokerKing

its a split pot...end of,

the cards were shown face up, both players had 2 pair with 10 kicker so it doesn't matter where he went, if he had of left the building and gone home the chips would have been put back in his place and blinded out, sure why give the chips to the big stack, thats just not the rules a split pot is a split pot,

bigreddogue

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I take it this was not the case, was the player who was given the pot saying he wasn't paying attention, the dealer/player certainly wasn't.

The T.D. not having seen the hand was in a tough spot, I'd say taking chips from a player just going on hearsay from one player at the table would be wrong.

I think his decision was ok,

Clareman

Most people didn't even spot the split pot until I mentioned it. I thought it was a good decision by the TD, as you said, he was in a tough spot. He said that he can't make decisions on tables he's not involved in.

That hand was the last hand before the bubble (2 players went out at once), and if the big stack had 7 more chips in the final table would have been the massive chip leader, as it was, I doubled up in the first hand of the final table (KK) and then knocked him out a couple of hands later, if he had the 7 extras I wouldn't have gone up against him

padser

Whats the point of having a TD who can't rule on other tables?

Once a hand has been shown face up to the dealer surely its irrelvent if the dealer then mucks them as they have already been shown face up after all the action, completely different situation to where you fail to protect your cards during the hand.

Clareman

padser wrote:

Whats the point of having a TD who can't rule on other tables?

All the cards had been pulled in so he wasn't able to rule on what he saw, only what others had said.