Quick donkament hand

phantom_lord

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t11445)
Hero (t7305)
MP2 (t9180)
MP3 (t7245)
CO (t12985)
Button (t4005)
SB (t14515)
BB (t4240)
UTG (t3000)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T, A.
2 folds, Hero raises to t180, MP2 calls t180, MP3 calls t180, CO calls t180, 2 folds, BB calls t130.

Flop: (t925) 4, A, T(5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t700, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls t700, BB folds.

Turn: (t2325) K(2 players)
Hero bets t1700




probably should have folded pf.

anyway, i think I should prob check the turn y/n?

RoadSweeper

looks fine, raise seems grand with position.

wouldnt slowplay anything less than trips.

phantom_lord

RoadSweeper wrote:

looks fine, raise seems grand with position.

wouldnt slowplay anything less than trips.

I'm way oop!

I'm not slow playing by checking, it's more for pot control/not to turn my hand into a bluff/ and the worse fold/better call scenario.

BobSloane

Its a tricky one. If you check you may be giving a flush draw a free card. He surely isn't calling your flop bet with QJ. Unless he has QJ hearts. He'd probably re-raise AK preflop rather than go to the flop 4 handed. If he's hit a set of 4s well that sucks. Think I'd usually bet about 1200 on the turn and give him 3/1 if he's drawing to the flush. Would be easier to get away from too if it gets hairy. Usually a hand that has you beat on that board will raise on the turn as the pot is big enough and they know you probably have outs - like the straight won't like the board pairing or the set of fours wont like another heart. I don't know that I could lay it down to a raise though with a third of my stack in there. Maybe a check is best on the turn lol

ocallagh

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Look at how many people called preflop before villain and also look at his position. He raises AK preflop 90% of the time here. You have to assume AT is good on the turn and you have to bet it.

phantom_lord

true.

LuckyLloyd

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kebabfest

Definitely bet, although not quite so much.
You're giving somebody with a big A an excuse to fold. Even somebody chasing a weak flush might fold.

pok3rplaya

If he has AK there I'll eat my new LOL Donkaments T-shirt.

phantom_lord

kebabfest wrote:

You're giving somebody with a big A an excuse to fold.

that's partly the reason why i think a check might be better, not so much worried about ak.

then turn's an ez fold for aj/aq.

pok3rplaya wrote:

If he has AK there I'll eat my new LOL Donkaments T-shirt.

I wanted one but I was too late.

LuckyLloyd

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kebabfest

that's partly the reason why i think a check might be better, not so much worried about ak.
You've a strong hand, but it is by no means a lock. A smallish bet would probably indicate to him that you had a lone A and if he has AQ or AJ he is likely to call.
You're also more likely to get called if you do a similiar bet on the river.
Giving him a free card here is bad. If he is flush drawing you want to make him pay for it. If you check not only do you give him a free card , but you're also not going to get paid on the river if he doesnt hit his flush.
Personally I dont think it is a good idea to get too clever with this type of hand.

phantom_lord

, CO calls t1700.

River: (t5725) K(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t2400, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t8125


pretty awful river anyway.

BobSloane

ahhhh isn't position great

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

to be fair Lloyd, when I bet on the turn I was pondering the merits of it. well before I c/f the river!

phantom_lord

some guy on 2+2 told me to c/f the turn, fcuking nit.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=9919871&page=0&vc=1

Hectorjelly

why are you folding? Do you think AQ Aj bets that river?

phantom_lord

Hectorjelly wrote:

why are you folding? Do you think AQ Aj bets that river?

I was wondering about that fold too.

I think a missed draw might bet here, and I don't think a better ace does, he was the type of player to turn up with k10, quite possible ak here too, and then a flopped set obviously. we are getting 3/1ish.


I dunno, I take it you think it's a call.

Hectorjelly

if you called the bet the pot would be over 10k, do you think you dont win the hand/split it more than 1/4 of the time? I think its quite a bad fold unless you know something about the guy.

sikes

as a general rule of thumb posters in the mtt forum on 2+2 are borderline retards. the good posters from there are well gone. though sometimes post if an intereting thread comes up

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

didn't realise gavin griffin posted there, i'm gonna hazard a guess that he's a decent poster?

sikes

phantom_lord wrote:

didn't realise gavin griffin posted there, i'm gonna hazard a guess that he's a decent poster?

you will be able to tell the decent ones, cos usually they make sense and have a high post count. its the ones with a low post count that generally hang around for a month or two, go broke then piss off to play solitaire.

If you go to the MTTc forums, the regulars there used to post on the forum, they dont anymore, dont post any hands there tho obv.