AT late Position

dvdfan

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1340)
UTG+1 (t1270)
MP1 (t1440)
MP2 (t2390)
Hero (t3050)
Button (t650)
SB (t1490)
BB (t1870)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with A T
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero???

Just wondering how youd play this preflop??

sikes

might raise might fold depending on the location of the moon. just dont call anything else is fine

phantom_lord

depends, probably raise.

dvdfan

Wasnt actually my hand, a hand i was reading on 2+2 and most people were suggesting folding pre-flop and maybe calling. Just taught this was bad but im raising here most of the time 1 because im in late position with a chance to steal the blinds and 2 when the blinds get big i want to know how tight loose the players acting after me are and what theyre calling range is and its alot cheaper to find out now. Even if i think the player is solid im still trying to steal the blinds here (albeit there not really worth stealing yet) almost always.

I know AT is far from a good hand and not a hand we want to call a raise with and not a hand we want to be playing in early position but i taught it would be an auto raise in late position as long as were comfortable playing it postflop if it gets to that and realise that flopping an ace isnt the nuts.

dvdfan

Just one more for opinions here from 2+2:

How do you play this??

Only read on villain is that he has been limping a lot of mediocre hands and has been playing poorly but getting lucky.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t30/t60
9 players
Converter


Stack sizes:
Hero: t1585
UTG+1: t1620
MP1: t965
MP2: t1270
MP3: t1530
CO: t1300
Button: t1180
SB: t2355
BB: t1695


Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG with Ts Th
Hero calls t60 (pot was t90), 2 folds, MP2 calls t60 (pot was t150), MP3 folds, CO calls t60 (pot was t210), Button calls t60 (pot was t270), SB raises to t420, BB folds,Hero???????

Mr.Plough

this is why you shouldnt open limp.

you dont know if hes punishing limpers or whatnot.

put in a raise pf and its an easy fold to a rr.


as played? its a fold for me.

pok3rplaya

both are easy raises. aggression aggression aggression

cardshark202

In hand 1 there is not much wrong with calling here.

mewso

cardshark202 wrote:

In hand 1 there is not much wrong with calling here.

Interesting. These days it's as if there are only 2 moves in poker and you are a heretic to think otherwise. These days min-raise isn't the crime it's limping. Having said that I would tend to raise in both of these situations.

phantom_lord

open limping is the real crime.

kebabfest

there are no crimes in poker. Just victims.....

dvdfan

Mr.Plough wrote:

this is why you shouldnt open limp.

you dont know if hes punishing limpers or whatnot.

put in a raise pf and its an easy fold to a rr.


as played? its a fold for me.

This is what i was saying on the 2+2 thread, should never be open limping UTG and everybody said limping is good or best here.

I said that its just a standard 3x raise + 1 per limper and dosent neccessarily represent great strength but they all disagree and think this is a sign he has a big hand. I agree that hes committed if UTG raises all in but nobody is showing strength so i felt i could be a steal with a good but not a neccessarily a great hand. The fact that he limped UTG leaves him in this situation that he dosent know if it is a monster or just a 3x + limper raise. If he raised UTG and then the RR came in then we can narrow the range based on the player but by limping hes range here is much wider i would think.

Its just lately on 2+2 the advice seems very contradictory to the advice ive learned on boards over the past few months and this is another 2 hands. Hand 1 most were suggesting folding preflop and hand 2 most were saying limping is fine and fold to the monster Raise. I actually think folding/pushing is marginal but i still feel hes range was wider than they were saying. It turned out he had 66 but this was posted after my opinions.

You really need to know who to listen to on 2+2 as it seems you can pick up alot of contradictory and bad advice

Heres the thread BTW
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=9902611&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1&nt=2