.25/.50 6 Max hand, best turn and river line ?

djsctt

Having lurked for a long, long time, its probably time I started posting some hands.

This hand just ocurred and i guess its fairly straightforward and uninteresting, but would like to see what line the shorthanded cash regulars favour on turn and river (all streets actually if you feel like it!)...

Not long on table so no real reads..

.25/.50 6max

Stacks:
Hero, me (60ish) on button
Villain (50 ish) in SB.

Preflop
UTG limps, MP limps, I make it 3 to go on button with AsKs
Villain in SB raises to 9
UTG and MP fold, I flat call (comments ?)

Flop (19) 8h 6c Kh
Villain bets 13, I call (comments ?)

Turn (45) 9h
Villain checks, and I ????

Any plan for the river ?

All comments welcome.

sikes

villains range for reraising out of the sb here is so tight that I would just fold preflop without any history

I would check the turn, we have a hand that has show down value

if the river is checked, value bet. if he bets I could consider a fold but prob wouldnt

Waterford ace

At the river i would prob put out a bet of about 10-15, its just enough for him to call and more than likely your ahead.

So how did the hand end???

DeadParrot

sikes wrote:

villains range for reraising out of the sb here is so tight that I would just fold preflop without any history

I would check the turn, we have a hand that has show down value

if the river is checked, value bet. if he bets I could consider a fold but prob wouldnt

Sikes, how can we be so sure his reraising range is tight?
its .25/.50 with no table reads so he may be a complete donk.
To me, now bear with me, I'd say he has some kind of mid PP, doesnt want to see a flop. The subtle nuances between cash and tourney play is lost on many at this level. Personally I'd probably push the flop. There's enough in the pot to take it down now.
As played I agree check the the turn and checkcall at any non heart river, though a turned flush isnt beyond the realms of possibility.
The usual check when strong sh*te that is so common at this level.
A vb is probably useless as already there is $45 in the pot and he'll feel he has to call any bet.
I may well be wrong though , just in from the 'pool match

peeko

Like the call PF, would raise flop and try get all in on turn. Villain could have TT-QQ, AK/AQ/AJ/KQ, or even smaller pairs at .25/.50.

sikes

we have an utg limper, a mp limper and a button raiser. I would always assume SBs 3bet range is tight here unless I have seen otherwise.

Im not saying calling is bad at these stakes, maybe it is a donkfest, but have to realise that he is looking super strong preflop.

sikes

DeadParrot wrote:

Personally I'd probably push the flop. There's enough in the pot to take it down now.

the second sentence in that quote, im not quite sure what to make of it.

DeadParrot wrote:

A vb is probably useless as already there is $45 in the pot and he'll feel he has to call any bet.

Is that not good?

opr

DeadParrot wrote:

Personally I'd probably push the flop. There's enough in the pot to take it down now.

Pushing this flop is really bad IMO. As sikes said his range is pretty narrow. The only hand that worries us for a flush is AKsuited and this makes up a very small part of his range.

By raising on the flop all hands that we beat will fold and hands that have us beat will call.

Opr

DeadParrot

i think the last sentence in my post explained a lot of what I said there...
in the cold hard light of day, I'm expecting to be playing for stacks here. With $45 in the the pot at the turn, this villain is pushing. And to be honest, I expect to be ahead a large % of the time.

djsctt

Thanks for the replies.

I agree with Sikes that at the time the three bet felt very strong to me, since he was out of position and given the limpers etc. So in my mind it was a high likelihood of QQ+ . If I didnt hit the flop I was done with it.
However, I think I do suffer from monsters under the bed syndrome at times, especially in these sort of situations.

Anyway, the results were:
I checked behind on the turn. Didnt bet here since I felt it would be very difficult to call if he pushed, especially with no hearts as outs.

River was a blank, non-heart. Villain checks, I checked behind (I dont know why). He mucked and my K was good. In hindsight, I was probably way too hasty checking down the river and value betting in these sort of situations is something I need to work on.

Bandana boy

opr wrote:

By raising on the flop all hands that we beat will fold and hands that have us beat will call.

Opr

I do not believe this to be true
Any FD most straight draws and KQ and you would be suprised how often QQ and JJ will all call a bet on the flop putting you on the Flush draw

Reraising from the blinds does not show that much strength these days
I see it all the time with any PP and 2 broadway cards they are just trying to snap of a postion raise

I wont say i reraise this flop every time but i defienetly do a lot especially at these levels

djsctt

Bandana boy wrote:

I do not believe this to be true
Any FD most straight draws and KQ and you would be suprised how often QQ and JJ will all call a bet on the flop putting you on the Flush draw

Reraising from the blinds does not show that much strength these days
I see it all the time with any PP and 2 broadway cards they are just trying to snap of a postion raise

I wont say i reraise this flop every time but i defienetly do a lot especially at these levels

Interesting. If we raise the flop here though, given the pot size arent we playing for stacks if villain pushes ?. So i guess you are willing to call a push here (at least some of the time) ?