The Drop Step.

BaldyJim

I was just wondering if anyine here had any experience with the drop stepas applicable to self defence...

mark.leonard

a drop step to shoot?

Roper

Vas ist a Drop step?

Musashi

If it's the same one that Carl Cestari advocates look for Baggio, I think he's training it with Lee Morrison?

mark.leonard

a drop step is where you dynamically lengthen your stance a bit and drop your back knee to the flor, kind of a level change to a power base to shoot. Colm please jump in for a better explanation!

Odysseus

My own understading is that is about dropping your weight as you strike your target enabling you to increase your impact force, works very well with open hand slaps.

Roper

mark.leonard wrote:

a drop step is where you dynamically lengthen your stance a bit and drop your back knee to the flor, kind of a level change to a power base to shoot. Colm please jump in for a better explanation!

I know that as the penetration step. If we're thinking of the same thing.

Colm_OReilly

To the best of my knowledge I've never heard or used the term drop step.

Lengthening your stance would only reduce your power, as you're at your most powerful when you compact yourself first.

Maybe we should just wait until BaldyJim posts his clarification?

paxo

It was a technique used in boxing to increase power aka the falling step. Jack Dempsey and other fighter of his time used it. See chapter 8 of the attached link
Paxo


http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/box/dempseycfbook.html

TheMoog

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mark.leonard

Nothing new under the sun, I think you are talking about level changing to throw something like a right hand straight? Dempsey advocated that you drop your weight on your lead leg for a jab for example is the same idea but isn't changing levles and is barely noticable done by a good boxer.

Colm,

the technique I am thinking of was in one of the wrestling videos you gave me, I am probably fudging details from memory;
Set up is your opponent is posting on you to keep you out of the clinch, you pop his hands up as you change levels and shoot, the level change he called a drop step I think.

Baggio...

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Im2Lazy

BaldyJim wrote:

I was just wondering if anyine here had any experience with the drop stepas applicable to self defence...

I've had a little experience with it at Lee Morrison seminar a little in Krav Maga, it increased my striking power a bit.
It's typically used with a cross & stomping your lead leg but Paul Kelly in Bridgstone teaches a similar technique to good effect to increase jab power & close distance.

It's a method used to generate more striking power, I'm sure Baggio can fill you in more as he's trained it a lot.

Quoute taken from http://www.martialdirect.com/reviews/videos/cestari1/cestari1.php
The stomping movement that accompanies one's strikes. (Stomping movement, Cestari explains, is the only effective way to move on uneven terrain. He dismisses the sliding, gliding movements of many martial arts as ineffective.) One's weight should be placed aggressively on the front leg, and Cestari works through a brief series of exchanges with his training partner to show the benefits of this. Your blows should land before your drop step lands, he explains, which enhances the power and momentum of your strikes.

Millionaire

Yes, as Paxo said...it was one of THE Techniques to use during this era of boxing. In fact Dempsey mentioned some of his famous contempory fighters, their lead leg could be heard dropping onto the ring floor all over packed boxing stadiums.

The idea was that back then...there was no "flicky" (for want of a better word) Jabs like in modern times... The lead punch..was called the Straight Lead... and it was a full power KO punch, that gave lots of punishment (unlike a more modern day jab)... basically, and I am probably describing the ass ways..but i ll try... Dempsey shot out his Straight Lead punch...BEFORE this foot hit the floor. so all forward moving body weight went into the punch. Also dempsey punched (as did alot of fighter in this era) with a Vertical Fist and full committed to the Straight Lead. dempsey saw boxing as a fighting art...and feels modern boxing brought in inferior trainers who destroyed the Art of Boxing...Demspey felt, the trainers who had the big money behind them, many did not know how to box properly.

Bruce Lee expanded on this in Jeet Kune Do, with his straight lead, which was borrowed from Jack Dempsey, strong side/hand forward (so shorter distance for your KO bomb to travel to nail opponent ala Straight Lead), Vertical fist, drop step, and full power. I learned a little of this JKD ala demsey straight lead when I was doing some JKD, and it is quite complicated to get a grasp on...though once mastered it is a very effective KO punch. (lee also borrowed ideas from fencing which he added into the JKD straight lead and footwork).

2 books worth looking at based on this...

"Championship Boxing "by Jack Dempsey in which he shows his Art of Boxing... and also explaind why he thinks modern boxing is inferior.

also "The Jeet Kune Do Straight Lead" by Teri Tom which is a book purely devoted to this punch. its quite techical and lots of background on how Lee developed it from Dempsey and other boxing greats and also Fencing theory added in too..

Supposed to take months and months to master with the footwork....but I have seen it sparred the straight lead...and it would definately be worth the effort.... you would be nailing your sparring partner right bwtn the eyes constantly. its a real deceptive punch too.


PAXO down under....off topic but since I did not see u on here in a long time,and I do not post much either...do you know this Krav Maga in Australia
www.tacticalkravmaga.com.au ??? its an excellent simple form of Krav Maga and its trained with full contact and pressure tested....so get as real as possible. I really like it, and I have just done me instructors certification under Tactical KM Australia...and we going to be teaching in Thailand soon.
I heard you mention you did KM down there...but it lack contact or something...well I d say give these guys a look uop if them or their assoicated schools got a location near you. Cheers Gerry

Michael O Leary

Hi all,:)

The drop step is also used in Wing Tsun where the foot lands at the same time as the punch lands or a little before it which is even better.

Regards,

Michael.
www.iewto.org

BaldyJim

Hello there.

Thanks for all the replies, they're very informative. I was looking for some information regarding the drop step being included in WW2 combatives. Was it introduced by Fairbairn et al or was it introduced later on by someone else. Also, I was looking for a bit of info regarding its effectiveness. I'm thinking of starting to train it, but I'm not sure if it's worth the time and energy to incorporate it into my techniques.

Thanks.