Camo

maglite

has anyone tried the new marpat design here

if so how has it faired any pics?


what other camo's would ye rate highly?
woodland? brit dpm? flecktarn?

o1s1n

British DPM and Flecktarn are my own personal favs. They seem to work well in this climate.

http://www.multicampattern.com/ looks great too. Very expensive though.

extremetaz

was using flectarn in predator there on monday - gotta tell you, didn't like the stuff first time i saw it but i bloody love it now!!

it's awesome stuff!!

o1s1n

extremetaz wrote:

didn't like the stuff first time i saw it but i bloody love it now!!

I was exactly the same. Really didn't like it a while back. Now I've made a total turnaround. I wonder why that is...

CrazyRabbit

The 'Find the Snipers' game in HRTA last saturday was a good test of camo effectiveness. But since I can't remember who was wearing what, and how long it took to spot them, this post is practically trolling.

o1s1n

CrazyRabbit wrote:

The 'Find the Snipers' game in HRTA last saturday was a good test of camo effectiveness. But since I can't remember who was wearing what, and how long it took to spot them, this post is practically trolling.

Totally off topic, but how many people had sniper rifles with them? Very annoyed I missed that.

kdouglas

o1s1n wrote:

Totally off topic, but how many people had sniper rifles with them? Very annoyed I missed that.

2 or 3 i think, it was basically a game of hide-and-seek though, think only the first snipers actually fired any shots, people then realised it gives away your position too easy


not a fan of flecktarn or dpm myself, marpat and multicam would be my preference, although i just go with all black at hrta for now, ill buy some camo when i start going to predator during the summer

Big_G

I agree with all the other sentiments here except for Multicam. It is good, but does anyone else find it a bit light in colour for the Irish climate, like the colours are washed out? I think Flecktarn is great, russian camos are all quite good (except for the lame naval or urban ones), US Woodland is good. Cadpat is quite dark, Marpat is good. I hate the ACU pattern - made for desert only, despite claims to the contrary.

Multicam does look great on the internet, and they practically claim that people will see right through you if you wear it. I saw someone wearing it at Predator and was not impressed. The Crye designs of uniform are slick though, I'd buy those even though they are Multicam.

kdouglas

where's good and cheap for getting camo?

some of the stuff on http://www.cryeprecision.com/ is great, but incredibly expensive, would love to get something similar though

Waylander24

I have a set of both the Desert and woodland MARPAT MCCUUs. Havent had a chance to use them in airsoft yet but I love the pattern. I've ordered a set of Multicam from afmo.com but I dont know when it will be arriving.

extremetaz

agreed on the mulitcam bit - for me now i reckon flectarn or CADPAT is the way to go... although a good few people do reckon that cadpat is a little too green...

Fiach Dubh

I'll have to speak up for the under represented Russian patterns.

Russian Tiger BEKAS comes in three shades, Dark, medium and light. I use the medium. French lizard is the first ever Tiger pattern, hard to get but very effective. Russian Flora (very popular, hard to get as stocks go fast) is an excellent pattern for countryside in general, more effective then woodland. The Russians also have their own version of NATO woodland they use for U.N. duties. M1 Forest is similar to woodland but has more lighter hues. BEREZKA BEKAS is anther countryside pattern, a two tone of dark green and lighter green in leaf patterns. SMOG BEKAS is another woodland pattern used by Russian special forces (Spetsnaz)

The Russian have access to many more patterns then most western units and the wide range of theaters, Eastern Europe, Afghanistan, Chechnya, etc. means they are tried and tested.

Sam_Fisher_jk

CrazyRabbit wrote:

The 'Find the Snipers' game in HRTA last saturday was a good test of camo effectiveness. But since I can't remember who was wearing what, and how long it took to spot them, this post is practically trolling.

myself and nigel were the first snipers and we were in Desert tri colour camo.

Sam_Fisher_jk

Big_G wrote:

I hate the ACU pattern - made for desert only, despite claims to the contrary.

i beg to differ, the acu works exactly as it should, i wore it to predator and managed to blend in well enough,

the thing is with ACU is that its a universal camo thats suppose to be netural enough to blend in with its local surroundings and mix with the light and shadow, the fact that is stands out when your on your own is that camouflage and concelement doesnt work that way..

that said, i wouldnt recommend it to someone who is wants to be a sniper.

maglite

Do ye have any pics of it in irish terain

Big_G

Sam_Fisher_jk wrote:

i beg to differ, the acu works exactly as it should, i wore it to predator and managed to blend in well enough,

the thing is with ACU is that its a universal camo thats suppose to be netural enough to blend in with its local surroundings and mix with the light and shadow, the fact that is stands out when your on your own is that camouflage and concelement doesnt work that way..

According to you. Camouflage does not work in the way you describe. Camouflage is supposed to break up your outline with respect to your background. The reason it works this way is because the brain recognises certain shapes and is usually able to distinguish them from a background due to colour and shape. ACU IMO does not break up a persons outline at all because there is very little contrast between the colours used within the pattern. Also, it doesn't match the colours of your background ie Irish woodland and therefore you stand out.

The thing about predator also is that there is a massive amount of natural cover and so you don't generally see a person until you're on top of them anyway.

I do like the uniform design of ACU, just not the camo. Anyway, my tuppence hapenny.

Fiach Dubh

Very true. The human mind recognises things by Archtypes such as the general shape of a person or the common movements made by a human. As you say, camo breaks up the form of the body, this breaks the archtypical form for the human mind. This only really works when the wearer is static though as the mind will also recognise the Archtypical motion. Some camos such as Tiger will allow for a slower movement at medium to longer sight ranges while not showing the movement archtype. This is because Tiger/Lizard camos are using motion stripes instead of foliage patterns (the same way a real tiger is able to stalk close to it's prey before breaking into a sprint at close range) woodland for example is a static camo as foliage moving on a long course is not natural and the human mind will pick it up.

Long story short, most camos are only really effective if you are static and if you are concealed in a matching location. Case in point for me at Predator, myself in SPLAV Tiger and an OPFOR guy in Woodland were concealed from each other at a distance of 20 feet for 5 minutes. I moved very slowly along the tree line and it was only when I reached an open area where I had to run that he was able to zero me by the rapid human motion. We both congratulated each other on how well our camo worked