Is this acceptable??

Kimbot

Is it generally ok for a mod to edit a posters post to make them look/sound stupid???

I ask because I replied to a thread about a broken laptop screen:

My post was: "Get a replacement screen from XYZ" XYZ = a website name i suggested!!

Now it was changed to read: " Get a replacement screen from my ass"

To me that is not funny, I was trying to be helpful.

I got a weeks ban for my "Troubles" and made look like an idiot to anyone else that looks at the post!!

Do the boards main men/women actually condone this type of behaviour from their mods??

Post in question to save someone asking for the link. Plus Tom Dunne said how you spammed that link several times.

Dragan

Indeed. It seems to be a case that you post that link a lot? Yes no?

( . )( . )

I may disagree with everything you say, but will defend unto death your right to say it. - Voltaire

Do not, however, mistake this for wilingness on my part to listen. - Me

http://xyz.com - the irony

Kimbot

Dragan wrote:

Indeed. It seems to be a case that you post that link a lot? Yes no?

I posted that 3 times at most!! I have explained that I am not affiliated with the site but this is not that matter!! I will take the ban but its the editting of the post that annoyed me!!

Dragan

Well the link was always going to be edited out if that the reason for the banning.

The "my ass" was a clever use of comedy in my opinion but hey, to each there own.

Kimbot

Dragan wrote:

Well the link was always going to be edited out if that the reason for the banning.

The "my ass" was a clever use of comedy in my opinion but hey, to each there own.

Well I don't mind the editing of the post but not to make the user look like a tool!!
Everyone has their own sense of humour and I for one didn't find it funny at all!!

Tom Dunne

Dragan wrote:

The "my ass" was a clever use of comedy in my opinion but hey, to each there own.

*bows*

Cuddlesworth

tom dunne wrote:

*bows*

*applause's*

Aside from that, what site did you post, can I have it by pm? Is it reputable? Would you ban a user for posting link's to komplett 3 times? A lot of smaller retailers rely on word of mouth, something that might be stifled severely here.

Kimbot

krazy_8s wrote:

*applause's*

Aside from that, what site did you post, can I have it by pm? Is it reputable? Would you ban a user for posting link's to komplett 3 times? A lot of smaller retailers rely on word of mouth, something that might be stifled severely here.

Its not about the site I posted as I said earlier!! Its more about the mods decision to edit my post to add his "Humorous" bit in!!

I can PM you the site no problem at all as long as I don't get banned from it!!
As you said above people always link komplett/play etc and no banning!!

Tom Dunne

Ok, to show that I am really a nice guy and that there are no hard feelings, I have removed "my ass" from jonny's post.

krazy_8s wrote:

Would you ban a user for posting link's to komplett 3 times? A lot of smaller retailers rely on word of mouth, something that might be stifled severely here.

I really didn't want to get into this, but if you insist.

johnny's contributions to the laptop forum consisted of replying to posts with nothing nothing more than "check out www.xyz.ie, their prices are great".

This lead me to believe he was in some way connected to the site, which he confirmed he was not. I then asked him not to continually link to the site and put a link in the sticky at the top of the forum.

Despite this request, he again posted a link to the site in a thread only a week or two ago. I ignored it then, but today I didn't.

So now tell me I am being unreasonable, not that I really care.

Kimbot

tom dunne wrote:

So now tell me I am being unreasonable, not that I really care.

Tom, I didn't say the ban itself was unreasonable and as the original post here shows its just the editing of the post i am/was annoyed at!!

metrovelvet

I think you should sue. I'm sure that falls under perjury or fraud or breach of copywrite or something like that. Take this question to the legal forum.

By the way, who actually owns the rights to what is written on these boards, is it the writer?

Dragan

tom dunne wrote:

I have removed my ass from jonny's post.

* chuckles * It really is funny.

And Metro,

who really cares. Post it on a website without proper copyright and your throwing whatever you post into the public domain.

tallaght01

Jonny, there's no point. This is a bit of a recurring them lately ie "I can accept the ban, but the behaviour towards me after it was unacceptable". It's not a concept people always get. Despite the fact that you're not compplaining about the ban per se, people are still going to respond to your post by saying "Get over it" and "you deserved your ban", whilst they patently miss the point.

I would suggest you walk away, because many many people don't even understand the point you're making, despite the fact that you put it reasonably clearly.

Kimbot

metrovelvet wrote:

I think you should sue. I'm sure that falls under perjury or fraud or breach of copywrite or something like that. Take this question to the legal forum.

I wouldn't sue boards over something like this!! They provide a service and I use it!!

challengemaster

metrovelvet wrote:

I think you should sue. I'm sure that falls under perjury or fraud or breach of copywrite or something like that. Take this question to the legal forum.

By the way, who actually owns the rights to what is written on these boards, is it the writer?

No its not. If you read the terms of agreement when you were joining, you would have read that ANYTHING YOU POST ON THIS WEBSITE then becomes property by boards.ie and they can and will reserve the rights to edit accordingly anything they wish (or something like that.. its been a while since i have seen it)

Therefore the website owns what he has written, has the right to change it, and there's no chance its a 'breach of copywrite'

Zambia

tallaght01 wrote:

Jonny, there's no point. This is a bit of a recurring them lately ie "I can accept the ban, but the behaviour towards me after it was unacceptable". It's not a concept people always get. Despite the fact that you're not compplaining about the ban per se, people are still going to respond to your post by saying "Get over it" and "you deserved your ban", whilst they patently miss the point.

I would suggest you walk away, because many many people don't even understand the point you're making, despite the fact that you put it reasonably clearly.

I get the piont if it makes you feel better. Shame on you Tom.

Gordon

metrovelvet wrote:

I think you should sue. I'm sure that falls under perjury or fraud or breach of copywrite or something like that. Take this question to the legal forum.

By the way, who actually owns the rights to what is written on these boards, is it the writer?

Joking or not, that kind of advice will most likely get you sitebanned here.

humanji

challengemaster wrote:

No its not. If you read the terms of agreement when you were joining, you would have read that ANYTHING YOU POST ON THIS WEBSITE then becomes property by boards.ie and they can and will reserve the rights to edit accordingly anything they wish (or something like that.. its been a while since i have seen it)

Therefore the website owns what he has written, has the right to change it, and there's no chance its a 'breach of copywrite'

Wouldn't this be a case of defamation of character since it's implying that the OP wrote it even though he didn't? Meh, I don't know. I'm off to the cat thread.

Dragan

Folks, who are we to say whether the OP does or does not have monitors in his ass? Maybe he does, maybe he does not.

It was funny, Tom removed the comment, now it's gone. Personally i think a jibe in such a fashion when banning people should be standard. Teach them not to blatantly ignore warnings as was the case here.

metrovelvet

Dragan - the people in the creative writing forum care. There's a lot of info there which I just checked.

And yes you're right anything posted up here is up for grabs unless copywrited first.

OP - of course your not going to sue over this, who has the time to waste?

And obviously, they not only condone this behavior from their mods, they encourage it.

But saying you said something so obnoxious when you didn't is wrong, there is just no question about it. If they cant see that, then that tells you a lot.

Tom Dunne

I just wanna stop the hurt.

Whay can't we all get along? Why do we need to get the lawyers involved?

Look, as far as myself and jonny are concerned, this matter is closed.

r3nu4l

Okay folks, after Tom edited the post, the bottom of the post clearly states "Last edited by Tom Dunne at...". This shows users that Tom has altered the text in the post. Anyone could probably tell that jonny24 doesn't have monitors stuck up his ass so I'm not sure that you look foolish.

I'm having a very hard time keeping a straight face here at work because I must admit that I think this is hilarious. I don't think that makes you look like a tool jonny* and I know that Tom should probably have soft deleted your post rather than edit it but dammit it was funny

There is a big difference between what happened with tallaght01 and you though. I think the tallaght01 abuse was OTT but this is hilarious.


*posting said link after being asked time and time again not to does make you look like a tool though!

Steveire

challengemaster wrote:

No its not. If you read the terms of agreement when you were joining, you would have read that ANYTHING YOU POST ON THIS WEBSITE then becomes property by boards.ie and they can and will reserve the rights to edit accordingly anything they wish (or something like that.. its been a while since i have seen it)

Therefore the website owns what he has written, has the right to change it, and there's no chance its a 'breach of copywrite'

I don't think it says that at all. I've wondered before who owns the posts here, but never had it clarified. One other forum I've seen explicitly notes that contributions are licenced under a Creative Commons licence. I would have thought there would be a known situation for this stuff, but I guess not.

metrovelvet

I'm not sure boards do own the posts either. I think they are up for grabs so that if you see a piece of writing you like, you can take it, assign your name to it in real life, publish it, copywrite it under your name, profit from it and its perfectly legal.

DeVore

Normally we frown on Moderators editing posts but spammers are fair game, because we hate them. Well I hate them which, inside my head, is good enough.

Unfortunately you were mistaken for a spammer (partly your fault, partly not) and were treated to the usual mirth making at the expense of the "spammer".

Repeatedly "suggesting" the same website is bound to attract the attention of mods and admins who hunt "shills" for sh*ts and giggles.
This is an "edge" case where the world of shilling over laps the world of genuine users and innocent people get caught in the crossfire (similar to how genuine mails get spam-binned by accident because of spammers).
Shills dont care that they cause such troubles and I'll stop there before I get annoyed...

I think that more or less covers the issue.

DeV.

Dragan

metrovelvet wrote:

I'm not sure boards do own the posts either. I think they are up for grabs so that if you see a piece of writing you like, you can take it, assign your name to it in real life, publish it, copywrite it under your name, profit from it and its perfectly legal.

Poor mans copywrite would go some way towards scuppering that. Each post has a time and date stamp. If you can simply provide dated proof of creation before the thief can then you win, they lose, goodnight vienna.

Vegeta

In a way Tom may have personally abused the OP and therefore should ban himself.

I personally hate mods abusing posters but in this case Tom may have mistaken you for a shill who are indeed scum. As you are not scum Tom has removed the offending content and all is well.

I suspect a few posters who are shills but have it cleverly disguised. Drives me nuts

Time Magazine

metrovelvet wrote:

I'm not sure boards do own the posts either. I think they are up for grabs so that if you see a piece of writing you like, you can take it, assign your name to it in real life, publish it, copywrite it under your name, profit from it and its perfectly legal.

Be responsible for defamation in it?

metrovelvet

Dragan wrote:

Poor mans copywrite would go some way towards scuppering that. Each post has a time and date stamp. If you can simply provide dated proof of creation before the thief can then you win, they lose, goodnight vienna.

So bear with me.... theoretically...

If someone steals something off the creative writing forum, [which was NOT copywrited previously by the poster] then boards can claim theft of intellectual property?

hullaballoo

You don't have to actively copyright something for it to be your intellectual property. Anything I write anywhere is automatically my intellectual property from first principles. Of course, there's an entire legal minefield of exceptions, which gives rise to an extensive area of study on the topic.

Suffice it to say that for your purposes, metrovelvet, that's how things stand here.

oleras

metrovelvet wrote:

So bear with me.... theoretically...

If someone steals something off the creative writing forum, [which was NOT copywrited previously by the poster] then boards can claim theft of intellectual property?

Considering Boards copyright is out of date, according to the bottom lhs of the homepage....Copyright © 2000 - 2005 boards.ie Limited. All rights reserved. ............

* havent a clue really what im on about.....lol

Copyright ©2000 - 2007, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

See the bottom of this page.

oleras

Myth wrote:

See the bottom of this page.

I sure do, but i was refering to the home page

edit : Jelsoft Enterprises own vbullitin afaik, not Boards.

* still dont know what im on about.....lol

BostonB

jonny24ie wrote:

Is it generally ok for a mod to edit a posters post to make them look/sound stupid???

I ask because I replied to a thread about a broken laptop screen:

My post was: "Get a replacement screen from XYZ" XYZ = a website name i suggested!!

Now it was changed to read: " Get a replacement screen from my ass"

To me that is not funny, I was trying to be helpful.

I got a weeks ban for my "Troubles" and made look like an idiot to anyone else that looks at the post!!

Do the boards main men/women actually condone this type of behaviour from their mods??

Deliberately leaving the context of the mods edit (which clarifies everything) destroys all creditability tbh.

Dragan

metrovelvet wrote:

So bear with me.... theoretically...

If someone steals something off the creative writing forum, [which was NOT copywrited previously by the poster] then boards can claim theft of intellectual property?

Boards, nope. Because effectively it was not there intellectual property in the first place. It was there copy property, as far as i am aware.

You would need to talk to a proper copywrite solicitor for the country you are in to find out exactly how the rules, as i am not even sure if the "poor mans copywrite" extends to the internet.

Back when the biro was king however, you could write something, post it to yourself and keep it sealed. The post date and seal would provide evidence of date and obviously that the contents had not been tampered with.

This is still used today by budding authors, myself included.

oleras

Dragan wrote:

Back when the biro was king however, you could write something, post it to yourself and keep it sealed. The post date and seal would provide evidence of date and obviously that the contents had not been tampered with.

This is still used today by budding authors, myself included.

Whats to stop you posting yourself an open and empty envelope ? i dont think a sealed franked letter would stand up in court, open to too much abuse imho, but i stant to be corrected !!

Dragan

Sorry.... i forgot to add that when you are posting you need to ask the post office to stamp the date across the seal, so any signs of tampering will come up on it.

oleras

Dragan wrote:

Sorry.... i forgot to add that when you are posting you need to ask the post office to stamp the date across the seal, so any signs of tampering will come up on it.

Ahhhhh....... and will this legally work ? have you come across a case where a datestamp proved copyright ?

metrovelvet

Can boards be held accountable if one of their mods "edits" a post in the creative writing forum as the mod did to OP's post?

Hobbes

metrovelvet wrote:

Can boards be held accountable if one of their mods "edits" a post in the creative writing forum as the mod did to OP's post?

No. Why should they be?

If you have a complaint about a post hit the report post button. It takes a snapshot of the post and reports it to the mods/admins. The admins will slap the moderator if required.

Btw, your earlier comments of to sue boards. Even threatening something like that in jest gets you an automatic site ban (for legal reasons).

metrovelvet

I didnt threaten anything and Gordon already said that so you can put your cudgel away.

I was talking to Dragan who said that the posts were the writers property.

We're not talking about reporting posts. We're talking about who owns them and if the writer owns them, which is what I understood Dragan to be saying, then if a mod edits the content then is s/he boards in contempt of something legal and comprosmising someone else's intellectual property.

It was a question, I guess you have a problem with those in general.

Dragan

challengemaster wrote:

If you read the terms of agreement when you were joining, you would have read that ANYTHING YOU POST ON THIS WEBSITE then becomes property by boards.ie and they can and will reserve the rights to edit accordingly anything they wish

Not really Metro, they can pretty much do what they want with it.

For example, lets say somebody posts a particular dodgy story which they feel is artistic or whatever but may be offensive to people or attract the wrong crowd, then they can remove it etc.

Dragan

metrovelvet wrote:

I was talking to Dragan who said that the posts were the writers property.

It should be noted that anything i'm saying is purely my opinion based on my somewhat limited knowledge of copywrite law ( which is shot to bits on when it comes to the net anyway ) and in no way reflect the opinions or actual legal rights or standpoints of boards.ie owners, opporators, or users.

In short, i am having a conversation, thats about it.

Hobbes

metrovelvet wrote:

I didnt threaten anything and Gordon already said that so you can put your cudgel away.

I didn't have a cudgel out. I was just pointing out to anyone stupid enough to take your advice earlier who didn't wish to be sitebanned.

Kimbot

tom dunne wrote:

I just wanna stop the hurt.

Whay can't we all get along? Why do we need to get the lawyers involved?

Look, as far as myself and jonny are concerned, this matter is closed.

This matter is now sorted. Cheers to Tom for sorting it out promtly.

TerrorFirmer

In fairness that pathetic site was way overpriced anyway (I clicked on it once, and the 'special offer' was last years laptop at what I can only guess is tomorrows price) - that alone was reason enough to heavily imply that it was affiliated to you in some way!

seamus

metrovelvet wrote:

We're not talking about reporting posts. We're talking about who owns them and if the writer owns them, which is what I understood Dragan to be saying, then if a mod edits the content then is s/he boards in contempt of something legal and comprosmising someone else's intellectual property.

boards.ie owns the right to *publish* the content. This includes editing it to conform to legal requirements, brevity, etc. You still own some intellectual rights over the content, but if you write a post and fail to have another copy of it, then it's tough titties when a moderator changes or deletes it.

Kimbot

HavoK wrote:

In fairness that pathetic site was way overpriced anyway (I clicked on it once, and the 'special offer' was last years laptop at what I can only guess is tomorrows price) - that alone was reason enough to heavily imply that it was affiliated to you in some way!

Dude as I have said many times I have nothing to do with the site at all!!!
I found them to be cheap for the parts that I required for laptops and have used them numerous times!!! I have gotten better prices off the chap when I have rang him!!
Tom Dunne know I am not affiliated with the place and I just thought I was helping a few members of boards out with the advice!!

Nevyn

metrovelvet wrote:

Can boards be held accountable if one of their mods "edits" a post in the creative writing forum as the mod did to OP's post?

This happened allready to a poster and they complained esp as that was the only copy of thier sort story and they felt it had been defaced.