Showdown Percentages

dvdfan

I cant think of the right keywords to search google but basically i need to know my odds for different matchups

example

AA vs AK
AK vs Aq
AK vs 44

etc etc etc

Hopefully someone will have a link or even some good keywords to search under

jhegarty

dvdfan wrote:

I cant think of the right keywords to search google but basically i need to know my odds for different matchups

example

AA vs AK
AK vs Aq
AK vs 44

etc etc etc

Hopefully someone will have a link or even some good keywords to search under

i think you are looking for "poker stove"... google that

Mellor

cardplayer have an odds calculator on the website too

Captain Tom

cardplayer.com/tools and tips/texas holdem odds calculator

Clareman

I think this is what your looking for http://www.jazbo.com/poker/huholdem.html

phantom_lord

get pokerstove.

dvdfan

Captain Tom wrote:

cardplayer.com/tools and tips/texas holdem odds calculator

Yeah thanks lads thats what i was looking for.

So just one question to make sure im calculating things right. Heres a scenario

SB 3000
BB 1200

Blinds 100/200
Im Small Blind and i raise BB to 500 and he pushes all in
I have to put in 700 to win 1200 (1200:700 = 1.7/1)

Now i have 44 and i put him on A5+
So according to the odds my PP is 55% fav
How do i convert 55% into bookie odds eg 7/2
would 55% be just over 2/1 and 25% be 4/1 etc is it that simple????

So in this scenario i would be getting pot odds of 1.7/1 and hand odds of 2.1/1 approx so i should fold.

Hows my calculations???

Of course in this scenario i should just push all in but im just using this for calculation purposes

phantom_lord

um, 55% is a bit better than evens, or 1/1, and 25% is 3/1.

RoadSweeper

look there

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055058264

dvdfan

phantom_lord wrote:

get pokerstove.

Yeah i have that phantom but i remember coming across a couple of sites that already have lots of calculations done out already for example

44 Vs AK
Pocket Pair Vs Any 2 overcards
Pocket Pair Vs Ax where x is an undercard eg 77 vs A5

So they have all the calculations done, actually i think Harrington has some of these calc's in his book so ill have a browse through and see if i can find them, if not ill just have to do it the lazy way and use pokerstove.

I was thinking my calcs were a bit off as folding in that sceanrio didnt feel right thanks

insafehands

Any pocket pair versus any two overcards will always be favourite (assuming the chips go in preflop).

Think the odds are 53%-55%. So basically, 22 vs 56 is the same as 22 vs AK.

opr

dvdfan wrote:

So in this scenario i would be getting pot odds of 1.7/1 and hand odds of 2.1/1 approx so i should fold.

Hows my calculations???

WTF are hand odds ?

Edit - should have read orginal post i took your odds as correct


Opr

opr

insafehands wrote:

Any pocket pair versus any two overcards will always be favourite (assuming the chips go in preflop).

Think the odds are 53%-55%. So basically, 22 vs 56 is the same as 22 vs AK.

Try sticking 5,6 suited into a poker calculator against 22 i think you might be surprised.

I am not even sure if 22 is a fav even if its 5,6 off.

Opr

Crumbs

dvdfan wrote:

SB 3000
BB 1200

Blinds 100/200
Im Small Blind and i raise BB to 500 and he pushes all in
I have to put in 700 to win 1200 (1200:700 = 1.7/1)

You have to put in 700 to win 1700, which is 2.4/1

To convert 55% to odds, do (100/55) - 1, which is 0.8/1

Ninja-call.

dvdfan

RoadSweeper wrote:

look there

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055058264

Thanks Sweeper thats helpful so to do it the oppisite way i.e 3/1 to a percentage you would add the 1 to the 3 to get 4 then divide 100 by 4 = 25%

Heres a few more examples:
Formula is: x+y / 100

2/1 = ((2+1) / 100) = 33.3%

1/1 = ((1+1) / 100) = 50%

4/1 = ((4+1) / 100) = 20%

is this correct??

Mellor

dvdfan wrote:

Yeah thanks lads thats what i was looking for.

So just one question to make sure im calculating things right. Heres a scenario

SB 3000
BB 1200

Blinds 100/200
Im Small Blind and i raise BB to 500 and he pushes all in
I have to put in 700 to win 1200 (1200:700 = 1.7/1)
There is 1700 in the pot, not 1200, count your original raise
So its 700 to win 1700, odds of over 2.6/1

Now i have 44 and i put him on A5+
So according to the odds my PP is 55% fav
How do i convert 55% into bookie odds eg 7/2
would 55% be just over 2/1 and 25% be 4/1 etc is it that simple????
50% is 1/1, 25% is 3/1
Easyiest wat to do it is "[(100/X%)-1]/1"
so 55% gives .82/1


So in this scenario i would be getting pot odds of 1.7/1 and hand odds of 2.1/1 approx so i should fold.
You are getting pot odds of 2.6/1
and actual odds of .82/1.........insta call

Hows my calculations???
A bit off, but fixed now

FYP

dvdfan

Crumbs wrote:

You have to put in 700 to win 1700, which is 2.4/1

To convert 55% to odds, do (100/55) - 1, which is 0.8/1

Ninja-call.

Well spotted Crumbs i forgot the 500 i raised....Hows the Crumbs System going these days:D

Mellor

its to win 1700, total pot will be 2400 only if the 700 is shipped in
pot is 1700 before decision, 700 to call

opr

Is it not 700 to win 2400 ?

Opr

Mellor

the finished pot will be 2400. As the BB has 1200 and is all-in
At decision time,
the SB is all-in, 1200
and the BB has 500 in,

it is costing the OP 700 to continue, if he wins he gets 1700+700 back, so he WINS 1700.

Crumbs

dvdfan wrote:

Well spotted Crumbs i forgot the 500 i raised....Hows the Crumbs System going these days:D

The Crumbs System ended with a bang. Literally. Let's not speak of it again.

Mellor

to save me from searching the forums, briefly whats the Crumbs system?
pretty please

opr

Fair enough think i am just used to seeing the Break even point as this is the important part for poker.

I would just say 2400/700 ~ 3.4/1 so i need to win about 30% of the time for the call to be profitable.

Opr

Crumbs

Mellor wrote:

to save me from searching the forums, briefly whats the Crumbs system?
pretty please

You don't want to know.

opr

Mellor wrote:

to save me from searching the forums, briefly whats the Crumbs system?
pretty please

Search its worth it.

Opr

opr

Crumbs wrote:

You don't want to know.

One of the best threads ever.

Were the rumours true that you were thinking of starting up a new system ?

Opr

Mellor

opr wrote:

Fair enough think i am just used to seeing the Break even point as this is the important part for poker.

I would just say 2400/700 ~ 3.4/1 so i need to win about 30% of the time for the call to be profitable.

Opr

You should still use the current pot not the total pot.
Use extreme values and it becomes clear.

Blinds 50/100

folded to SB who pushes all in for 10K more
Its 10K for the BB to call.

If you count the full final pot
Then its 10,000 to win 20,100
This is ~2/1 and break even is 33%
clearly this is wrong

10,100 is the pot total used


Also 3.4/1 break even is about 23%
3/1 is 25%
4/1 is 20%

Crumbs

opr wrote:

One of the best threads ever.

Were the rumours true that you were thinking of starting up a new system ?

I normally don't comment on rumours but lately I've been missing the adulation, devotion and plaudits, so there is a small chance of a follow-up system. Also, I'm pretty broke.

Mellor

Crumbs wrote:

You don't want to know.

Lol, I remember that now,
sorry it didnt work out

opr

Mellor wrote:

You should still use the current pot not the total pot.
Use extreme values and it becomes clear.

Blinds 50/100

folded to SB who pushes all in for 10K more
Its 10K for the BB to call.

If you count the full final pot
Then its 10,000 to win 20,100
This is ~2/1 and break even is 33%
clearly this is wrong

10,100 is the pot total used


Also 3.4/1 break even is about 23%
3/1 is 25%
4/1 is 20%

In the first example 10,000 to win 20,100 yeah 2/1 so i would say thats like 50%

All i am doing is taking the direct odds if that what you want to call them. I don't think it makes any difference to the calculation. We are always gonna get the same answer.

When i get the fraction it is a direct representation of the percentage break even point.

Opr

opr

Crumbs wrote:

I normally don't comment on rumours but lately I've been missing the adulation, devotion and plaudits, so there is a small chance of a follow-up system. Also, I'm pretty broke.

What about something poker related i think we would all like to see that

Opr

Mellor

opr wrote:

In the first example 10,000 to win 20,100 yeah 2/1 so i would say thats like 50%

All i am doing is taking the direct odds if that what you want to call them. I don't think it makes any difference to the calculation. We are always gonna get the same answer.

When i get the fraction it is a direct representation of the percentage break even point.

Opr

2/1 is 33%
It looks like your two mistakes are cancelling each other out.
I don't know if they always will though

AS_PokerKing

Just go to cardplayer.com, great site and you can work out exactly wat hands you want,

opr

Mellor wrote:

2/1 is 33%
It looks like your two mistakes are cancelling each other out.
I don't know if they always will though

Yeah but the actual pots odds in your example are 1/1(call 10,000 to win 10,000) so it 50%.

The reason they cancel each other out is cause the extra that you have to call will always represent a unit value of 1 relative to the pot odds.

Opr

RoadSweeper

opr wrote:

In the first example 10,000 to win 20,100 yeah 2/1 so i would say thats like 50%

All i am doing is taking the direct odds if that what you want to call them. I don't think it makes any difference to the calculation. We are always gonna get the same answer.

When i get the fraction it is a direct representation of the percentage break even point.

Opr

to get the % of an odd

2/1 = (2+1) devide 100
= 33.3333333333333333333333333 %

opr

RoadSweeper wrote:

to get the % of an odd

2/1 = (2+1) devide 100
= 33.3333333333333333333333333 %

Did you even read this thread.

Opr

RoadSweeper

did you not say 2/1 is 50%?

i was showing that its not?

opr

RoadSweeper wrote:

did you not say 2/1 is 50%?

i was showing that its not?

If you read the example i calculated this for it was 10,000 to win 10,000 which represents 1/1 pot odds.
What i was saying is if you just take numbers directly 20,000 total pot and you need to call 10,000 it will give you a direct representation in fraction form of the break even presentage so 2/1 is like a half ~ 50%.

Opr

RoadSweeper

ah sorry missed

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53037071&postcount=34

my bad

dvdfan

Well i said id post this in case anyone finds it useful. Thanks for the help


Pre Flop Hand Match Up

Overpair Vs Underpair
AA vs QQ 80/20 | 4/1

Pocket Aces Vs Non Pair
AA Vs KQ 86/14 | 6.14/1
AA Vs 87 80/20 | 4/1

Pocket Aces Vs Suited Connecters
AA Vs 67s 77/23 | 3.35/1

Pair Vs 2 Overcards
JJ Vs KQ 57/43 | 1.3/1
22 Vs KQ 52/48 | 1.1/1

Pair Vs 1 Overcard
99 Vs A2o 70/30 | 2.3/1
99 Vs A2s 67/34 | 2/1

Dominated Hands
AK vs AJ 74/26 | 2.9/1

2 Overcards Vs Non Pair
AK Vs JTo 63/37 | 1.7/1
AK Vs JTs 59/41 | 1.5/1

1 Overcard Vs Non Pair
A5 Vs 87o 56/44 | 1.27/1
A5 Vs 87s 53/47 | 1.13/1

dvdfan

dvdfan wrote:

Pocket Aces Vs Non Pair
AA Vs KQ 86/14
AA Vs 87 80/20

I taught this was interesting, i guess the fact that 87 can make more straights is the reason 87 fairs out better

Jesus Wept

dvdfan wrote:

I cant think of the right keywords to search google but basically i need to know my odds for different matchups

example

AA vs AK
AK vs Aq
AK vs 44

under

AA vs AK 62% v 48%
AK vs Aq 62% v 48%
AK vs 44 62% v 48%

opr

The-Rigger wrote:

AA vs AK 62% v 48%
AK vs Aq 62% v 48%
AK vs 44 62% v 48%

A perfect end to a this thread.

Opr

dvdfan

No dont let it end here, ive 1 more stupid question.

Even though this question seems obvious, just like my original is 2/1=50% question i want to make sure im getting this right.

Stacks
Me BB 600
Villain SB 800

Blinds 100/200

I have 34s and my opponent pushes all in
Im pretty sure hes stealing/Auto Pushing but likely has 2 overcards
So im:
2 Overcards Vs Non Pair = 59%/41% or approx 6/4 or 1.5/1 is my chances of winning

My pot odds (Im tired so give us a break:rolleyes: )
Im Calling 400 to win 800 so im getting 2/1

So its a call

Now go ahead an embarrase me and tell me im wrong

dvdfan

The-Rigger wrote:

AA vs AK 62% v 48%
AK vs Aq 62% v 48%
AK vs 44 62% v 48%

I think you need to upgrade to the newer version of pokerstove, still some bugs in that old one:cool:

opr

dvdfan wrote:

No dont let it end here, ive 1 more stupid question.

Even though this question seems obvious, just like my original is 2/1=50% question i want to make sure im getting this right.

Stacks
Me BB 600
Villain SB 800

Blinds 100/200

I have 34s and my opponent pushes all in
Im pretty sure hes stealing/Auto Pushing but likely has 2 overcards
So im:
2 Overcards Vs Non Pair = 59%/41% or approx 6/4 or 1.5/1 is my chances of winning

My pot odds (Im tired so give us a break:rolleyes: )
Im Calling 400 to win 800 so im getting 2/1

So its a call

Now go ahead an embarrase me and tell me im wrong

Yup or

400 to win 800 so pot odds are 2/1 or 400/1200 which is a third ~ you need to win 33% of the time to break even.

Opr

ArmaniJeanss

dvdfan wrote:

Stacks
Me BB 600
Villain SB 800

Blinds 100/200

I have 34s and my opponent pushes all in
Im pretty sure hes stealing/Auto Pushing but likely has 2 overcards
So im:
2 Overcards Vs Non Pair = 59%/41% or approx 6/4 or 1.5/1 is my chances of winning

My pot odds (Im tired so give us a break:rolleyes: )
Im Calling 400 to win 800 so im getting 2/1

So its a call

Now go ahead an embarrase me and tell me im wrong

Just have to point out its 400 to win 1000, so 5/2 in this case

P.S. On the hand list you posted, you had the pair correctly ahead of overcards in both examples, but its worth knowing (for trivia sake anyway) that a lot of the time the pair can be behind to the overcards, e.g, 22 v T9s, 33 v T8o (same suits as the 3s) etc.

opr

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

Just have to point out its 400 to win 1000, so 5/2 in this case

Its not. We have 200 less than the SB so the SB all in is effectively 600.

Opr

Mellor

200 will be returned to the BB. So the OP was right

2/1 odds, your way ahead of break even, ship it.

insafehands

The-Rigger wrote:

AA vs AK 62% v 48%
AK vs Aq 62% v 48%
AK vs 44 62% v 48%

62 + 48 = 110.

Am I missing something?

EDIT: Ty dvdfan for your post at end of page 2.

Mellor

the extra 10% represents sick beats and runner runner situations