STT hand - hh

Samba

Not really an interesting STT hand but you will have to bare with me, i'm a shockingly bad tourney player having mostly played cash in my entire time playing poker. I'm now mainly playing STTs and MTTs to learn the tourney game.

Anyway...

No reads on the two villains.. multi tabling..

PokerStars Game #9287133033: Tournament #47180096, $25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/06 - 18:57:40 (ET)
Table '47180096 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: CTango (1340 in chips)
Seat 2: Greeeeeeeeek (1240 in chips)
Seat 3: windyspirit (2100 in chips)
Seat 4: alesanre (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: (YourMa) (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: jbmoney99 (1530 in chips)
Seat 7: onelazyman (1270 in chips)
Seat 8: AJinOK (1465 in chips)
Seat 9: rudy31 (1625 in chips)
CTango: posts small blind 15
Greeeeeeeeek: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to YourMa [Ad Ah]
windyspirit: raises 60 to 90
alesanre: folds
YourMa: raises 150 to 240
jbmoney99: folds
onelazyman: folds
AJinOK: folds
rudy31: folds
CTango: calls 225
Greeeeeeeeek: folds
windyspirit: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [Qh 2c Qc]
CTango: checks
windyspirit: checks

YourMa?

Ste05

WTF is CTtango calling with OOP there???

He basically priced in the original raiser. LOL Donkaments!!

I think I'd just check and let someone bluff at it, I think this is a fairly straight forward someone has 2 outs and I'd prefer to call a push on the turn or River then push myself now. Although I don't play much STT's,

dvdfan

Im betting 1/2 pot here, theres a FD so you dont want to be giving free cards and youll take the pot here and now alot of times on this scary board, if you get called then you have position on the turn which should help keep the pot size under control or give you the option to fold if theres alot of action. You expect a good player here to lead with Trip Q's rather than check/raise but youve no reads so if they RR your flop bet its a fold for me.

Id expect someone with a smaller pocket pair to call the flop bet but check again on the turn, if the lead on the turn on that board i think your beaten, if they check i would bet a non club turn again and reassess the river.

Inetersting nick btw:)

fuzzbox

I raise more preflop, I bet half the pot on the flop and call a shove.

Samba

I'm such a wuss!

YourMa Checks...

My issue with betting here is we have 2 callers if the board had come 992 it would be entirely different, I would have bet.

If I half pot this flop and i'm faced with a push, I don't like the idea of folding and I don't like the idea of calling off on that flop.

Yeah i didn't like my PF re-raise size either Fuzz, how much are you making it here, 350?

Turn was a lovely deuce

and it went check check again.

We?

Glowingmind

I'm pretty much always betting the flop here. The blinds are so low that you can happily get away from a push. By being overly worried about the flop and checking, you're allowing the other two the chance to improve far too easily.

fuzzbox

Samba wrote:

I'm such a wuss!

YourMa Checks...

My issue with betting here is we have 2 callers if the board had come 992 it would be entirely different, I would have bet.

If I half pot this flop and i'm faced with a push, I don't like the idea of folding and I don't like the idea of calling off on that flop.

Yeah i didn't like my PF re-raise size either Fuzz, how much are you making it here, 350?

Turn was a lovely deuce

and it went check check again.

We?

They are not called donkaments for nothing, BET .

I would make it 300 preflop but 350 is fine also. Its not much more than yours, and to be fair to you, 240 isnt bad.

I bet the flop cos ppl call with all sorts of rubbish and shove with things like 99 and TT in this spot. Sure they have Qx sometimes and it sux, but I still like to bet here.

As you played it, I bet half pot on the turn.

fuzzbox

Glowingmind wrote:

I'm pretty much always betting the flop here. The blinds are so low that you can happily get away from a push. By being overly worried about the flop and checking, you're allowing the other two the chance to improve far too easily.

The blinds might be low, but the pot is big.
The pot is like 750 preflop, and we have 1200 left.
You want to bet 300 and fold to a shove into that sort of pot?
Not for me thanks.

Glowingmind

I think it's an acceptable risk. Without any reads, the only shove we're likely ahead of is a draw or a stone cold bluff. And with 30BBs left after folding to a shove, we're still in a perfectly playable position

sikes

cbet the flop all day long, many players who played pairs will stack off trying to make a great read on somone cbetting Ax. Loads of people think thats a great flop for their mid pairs.

id make it 360 pre and push the flop, you will get called by loads of other hands than just Qx. Betting half pot might achieve the same, but i find pushes get looked up more buy weaker hands.

Just dont fold at any point in the hand

dvdfan

I dont like pushing here if someone comes over the top of me unless ive some sort of read, i agree after we bet half the flop here we have invested 600 of our 1500 stack but the other 2 villains have only invested 240 of their stacks and can easily get away from it, one of them villains has a 2100 stack so theyll need a very good hand here to push over the top of someone thats RR prefloped and still wasnt fazed by a paired board. They would probably expect AK to check here!

I do think maybe KK-JJ might come over the top but after a RR preflop they must be wary of an overpair if they have 33-TT so i think a push over the top can easily be let go here only because we have plenty of time to get back into the game.

sikes

Pushing as the hand played might be a little fishy becuase of the reraise, so i would just bet normally 1/2-2/3 pot, however, you would need to physically restrain me from calling an all in. Though if both players go for it I would reconsider. You will be getting >>2/1 on the push, he is defo doing it with KK, underpairs enough to make a call profitable.

Ste05

Well I said I would have checked the flop, and with the 2 and 2 more checks, I'd bet now, 1/2 pot seems fine, and call a push.

I also agree with the Pre-Flop talk above, I'd make it 300 too.

Samba

It went check check check again! yes it may be super weak but the hands that pay us off here are only really smaller PP's and since there was no bet on the flop, no bet on the turn, surely we can rule out pp's from heir holding so if they can't have a hand that pays us off is there much point in betting?


Turn was a 5 and UTG villain lead out for 200...

sikes

Samba wrote:

It went check check check again! yes it may be super weak but the hands that pay us off here are only really smaller PP's and since there was no bet on the flop, no bet on the turn, surely we can rule out pp's from heir holding so if they can't have a hand that pays us off is there much point in betting?

now you have got this far, yeah you shouldnt be turning your hand into a bluff. But you should be betting the flop becuase those pp holdings are a big part of their ranges.