The Sun! (moved from deleted thread)

Scofflaw

Talliesin wrote:

Hmm. I wonder just how good my knowledge of fusion would have to be before I'd stop worshipping Lugh.

As a matter of interest (and I'll happily take this over to Paganism) - how do you worship Lugh?

I'm not asking in the sense of "what rituals/prayers", but rather "what does it mean to worship Lugh?" and "why worship?".

For myself, I would regard the Sun as an "emblem" of the positive solar qualities as I conceive them, and I would certainly wish to increase those qualities in myself - but I have never felt the need to "worship" in any sense I would use the word.

cordially,
Scofflaw

stevejazzx

Scofflaw wrote:

For myself, I would regard the Sun as an "emblem" of the positive solar qualities as I conceive them, and I would certainly wish to increase those qualities in myself - but I have never felt the need to "worship" in any sense I would use the word.

cordially,
Scofflaw

I reagrd the sun as a star dying away slowly in the middle of our universe, am I missing something?

Steve

Scofflaw

stevejazzx wrote:

I reagrd the sun as a star dying away slowly in the middle of our universe, am I missing something?

Mysticism? Figurative as opposed to literal or scientific truths?

cordially,
Scofflaw

stevejazzx

Scofflaw wrote:

Mysticism? Figurative as opposed to literal or scientific truths?

cordially,
Scofflaw

Figurative truths is a bit of an oximoron, no? Figuratively speaking anything can be anything but now I'm really getting pedantic. I just wasn't sure if you were being 100% serious in your preceeding post when replying to 'tallesin'.

bonkey

stevejazzx wrote:

I reagrd the sun as a star dying away slowly in the middle of our universe,

So you see the sun as alive, then, and not just as a physical reaction of finite duration? How else could it be dying.

I'm being facetious, of course

Zillah

bonkey wrote:

So you see the sun as alive, then, and not just as a physical reaction of finite duration? How else could it be dying.

I'm being facetious, of course

Hehe, zing.

Scofflaw

stevejazzx wrote:

Figurative truths is a bit of an oximoron, no? Figuratively speaking anything can be anything but now I'm really getting pedantic. I just wasn't sure if you were being 100% serious in your preceeding post when replying to 'tallesin'.

Yes, I'm genuinely interested in the answer. Also, yes, I would consider the sun as 'symbolic' of certain qualities. Actually, that's the reason I'm interested in Talliesin's viewpoint - I don't ascribe these qualities to the Sun, and I'm curious to know how much of a gap there is between us on the matter.

As to "figurative truths" being an oxymoron - not at all. There are those who wish to only use the word truth to stand for 'objective truth', but that is to ignore the usual meanings of the word in favour of an artificially restricted definition - the very fact that 'objective truth' is not a tautology implies that 'figurative truth' is not an oxymoron.

There are things that I consider to be true, that are subjective. They are therefore true for me. Where believers fall down is to mistake their subjective truths for objective truths.

Say I say "I heard a ghost once", and wolfsbane says "God spoke to me". Both of these statements are subjectively true, because they are our interpretations of our experiences - how we experienced events.

However, I do not consider my subjective truth to be objective - there are alternative explanations (hallucinations, other noise sources). I don't thereby claim that ghosts exist in any objective sense.

Wolfsbane, to the contrary, regards his subjective truth as objectively true, thereby claiming that God is objectively real.

cordially,
Scofflaw

stevejazzx

Ok, why I asked was that I too am very interested in the nature and history of the sun but not really in it's mythology, that's not to say I don't think it's not worthwhile, I don't know enough about it to make that claim. As for the oximoron thing, I was being disingenuous, sorry!

Amazing sun fact
It contains more than 99.8% of the total mass of the Solar System!Still can't get my head around that!

stevejazzx

bonkey wrote:

So you see the sun as alive, then,
and not just as a physical reaction of finite duration? How else could it be dying.

Yes, well chemically it is alive.:)

bonkey wrote:

I'm being facetious, of course

of course...