Is this worth it

patmac · 03-04-2007 8:43am #1

Is this worth a bet playing in the $50 double stack rebuy tourney on PPP last night position 30th of around 90 left ,1st prize 4,500 top 20 get paid. Blinds 300 and 600 I'm BB (11k in chips) with Kd 6d. Folded to Button (12k) calls SB loose player (15k) calls flop is Ad 8d 10s SB bets 600 I call (comments) button calls. Flop Qc SB goes all in what to do?

phantom_lord · 03-04-2007 8:47am

fold?

BobSloane · 03-04-2007 8:54am

Fold. You could have raised legitimately on the flop but you have to hit one of your 12 outs now and are not getting near the price to do so

patmac · 03-04-2007 9:09am

BobSloane wrote:

Fold. You could have raised legitimately on the flop but you have to hit one of your 12 outs now and are not getting near the price to do so

I had a feeling the button was going to call as well, as himself and the SB were engaging in quite a lot of banter. I know the pot odds were against a call, but is there a time when maths go out the window and you trust your gut instinct or is there such a thing as gut instinct, will your so called 'gut instinct' or whatever cost you money in the end?

BobSloane · 03-04-2007 9:16am

patmac wrote:

I had a feeling the button was going to call as well, as himself and the SB were engaging in quite a lot of banter. I know the pot odds were against a call, but is there a time when maths go out the window and you trust your gut instinct or is there such a thing as gut instinct, will your so called 'gut instinct' or whatever cost you money in the end?

Not sure what you mean. Are you suggesting that your K high is good? Or that the Q hit him and you have 15 outs if you pair your king which still doesn't give you near the odds to call. Do you think he's put you on a draw and is pushing with complete air? I don't think you can throw the maths out the window on this hand unless you have a read from Jesus Christ himself

patmac · 03-04-2007 9:54am

BobSloane wrote:

Not sure what you mean. Are you suggesting that your K high is good? Or that the Q hit him and you have 15 outs if you pair your king which still doesn't give you near the odds to call. Do you think he's put you on a draw and is pushing with complete air? I don't think you can throw the maths out the window on this hand unless you have a read from Jesus Christ himself

So as I suspected gut instinct is really bollix and will cost you in the end. For the record I took as long as I could to call before folding the button called both villians showed KJ to hit there straight, and the diamond hit the river. I was thinking afterwards if I had called I would have been massive chip leader, but that's poker.

LuckyLloyd · 03-04-2007 10:02am

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5starpool · 03-04-2007 10:08am

The RNG would have given a non diamond river if you had called I bet.

patmac · 03-04-2007 11:13am

5starpool wrote:

The RNG would have given a non diamond river if you had called I bet.

Agreed.

phantom_lord · 03-04-2007 11:17am

that's a really bad way of thinking pat!

patmac · 03-04-2007 11:43am

phantom_lord wrote:

that's a really bad way of thinking pat!

Yeah but it makes me feel better!

phantom_lord · 03-04-2007 11:45am

I was thinking afterwards if I had called I would have been massive chip leader

I mean that line!

patmac · 03-04-2007 11:55am

phantom_lord wrote:

I mean that line!

See I've been reading a lot of poker books and boards since having lucksacked my way to qualifying for the IO 3 weeks ago and my play has improved a lot (and my bank balance) so before I would have called that, I kind of have to let that side of my game go so as I don't make a bollix out of meself on Friday and turn into a winning player in future, but it was still annoying when it hit.

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