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Call or Muck

  • 02-04-2007 10:55pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,211 ✭✭✭


    Ok basically the hand got mixed opinions from the players at the table and its a high quality table so i said i would get your opinions on here. Basically im seen as very TAG and villian LAG likes all ranges of hands.

    Me 31k
    Villian 25k
    Blinds 100/200

    I raise to 600 from button wit AdAs. Villian calls on small blind and early limper calls.

    Flop Kc 5c 3c checked to me i bet 1100 villian check raises to 3100 i think and decide to flat call and see what he wants to do on turn if he has KQ or KJ i think my call would slow him down a little. Turn Th villian instantly pushes his 21k in middle. Call or fold. Also take into account their were 2 seats for irish open with 18 players incase anyone thinks thats relevant.


Comments

  • Subscribers Posts: 32,864 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Ugh. Looks like he doesn't really want a call, but a set is very possible here. tough spot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭GrangeUtd


    tough spot alright.

    Looks like he might have KQ. KJ and he is doesn't want another club to hit
    to put 4 to a flush on the board.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭nicnicnic


    its a hard one allright Bobby I'm inclined to call because of the client but a fold is probably the right play


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,211 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I know the hand unsetlled me and things never went right afterwards like you said at the time will i get a better opportunity anyway who won the two tickets and tell me its someone decent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭padraig_f


    I think it's a fold. You'd definitely expect him to reraise pre-flop with AK against a button raiser and it's hard to imagine him going this crazy with KQ/KJ after you called his flop reraise.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,912 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Not sure if I have followed this correctly, but his bet pattern could indicate that he had either a pair of tens, or two fairly low clubs. With three clubs showing on flop, he might have wanted to see who would call having perhaps one high club they wanted to play out. But if so the 10 of hearts reduces the risk to him for a better flush, so he's gambling now and hoping the one-club opponents will fold rather than take the rather poor odds of hitting a flush. Or perhaps he has only one 10 (clubs) which increases his overall chance of a win (clearly his other card in this scenario would be a king, or possibly a 5).

    Or, if he's disguising his strategy, he could already hold ace something of clubs, in which case you should of course fold because now you can't beat that. And if one of his tens is the club in that case he has a lot of extra ways to improve on an already prohibitive hand.

    Another thought -- he could have As J or Qc so that he now thinks he has a lot of outs, namely your two aces, ace of clubs, any J or Q for a straight. So it's a semi-bluff in that scenario.

    I would have to think all things considered, you would want to fold, but perhaps your first move was too weak with a pair of aces.

    The people I play against, though, would do this holding 7-9 off suit, no clubs, to bluff the pot.


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