few Tourney hands from Syndi game

Gholimoli

Few hands from yesterdays syndicate game.

Hand 1:
Villain in the hand is Rooney Dives and he has been playing like a rock.
I have also been playing like a rock.
I donno if Rooney dives knows me at all.
Its folded to me on the button and I have AdAs.
Blinds 100/200 and I makes it 600.
RD calls from the BB.

Flop(1300)
3c 3s 6c.
RD checks and I bet 700.
RD calls.

Turn(2700)
4d(I think) .
RD checks and I check behind.

River(2700)
7c.
RD bets out 2K (I think he has something like 4 or 5K behind).
I think about it for a while and then fold.
He then showed the Jc and I think he had the flush there something like KcJc or AcJc but he could have JJ there as well .
I wasn’t really worried about the straight.
What do we think?

Hand 2:
Blinds 200/400
I have a big stack and have been fairly active.
Just before the hand Half baked comes over to our table and says to me out loud that if the dude to my left raises I should automatically re pump it. then he says that he has folded KK to him in a cash game preflop.
I donno the player but at this stage I think he is very tight and does not reraise lite .or maybe Halfbaked was being sarcy and he was very loose.
Anyway I raise with QQ to 1400 or so and he makes it 5K.
We are both playing 25K behind.
I decide to flat call .im out of position.

Flop(11K)
Q T 3 rainbow.

I lead for 4K.
My thinking was if he has KK,AA all the money goes in anyway.
If he has AK he may make a play with his two over cards and draw.
If he has nothing im not gonna get paid.
He folded.

Hand 3:
The villain in the hand is really tight.
I feel very comfortable taking flops against him HU and he lets you know where he is in the hand and as a result you will know how to proceed.
He has raised my blind ones and I repoped at him with AA ,he called and I took the pot on a J high flop .
Blinds 200/400
He makes it 1600 on the button.
Folded to me on the BB and I call with 97s.
I have 25K and he has something like 14K or so.

Flop(3400)
T 8 Q
I check and he checks behind.
When he checks here im nearly certain he has a weak hand.
He has been playing pretty straight forward and based on his reaction my read is he does not have a hand.

Turn(3400)
8 .
I check,he bets 2.5K ,I shove.
He folds.

Hand 4:
This hand was subject of much controversy between my self and halfbaked.
We disagreed on this hand totally and I like to know what every one else thinks.
We are 4 handed .
Im just after winning a pot and collecting my chips.blinds have just gone to 1500/3000 but I don’t notice and raise it to 6K from the CO .
I have J7o and have about 70K behind.
The button is the lad not from boards and has about 40K .
BB is some one from boards I do not know and has about 30K.
button calls my bet and BB says “ah sure I have to call 3 to win 18K ,all I need is a favorable flop” and then calls.

Flop(18K)
Th 7h 2s .

BB pushes for something like between 25K and 30K not sure of the exact amount.
I have button yet to act behind me.
I folded.
Halfbaked was suggesting that I should push here as he puts BB on a flush draw.
I agreed that flush draw was the most likely hand for BB but even so folding was the correct deceions here.
Button called with T9 after I folded and BB flipped over JhQh.
No help for BB and button won the pot.
Peter argued that he knew if I pushed button would have folded his TP.
Button later confirmed that yes if I pushed he would have folded.
Peter was saying then I would have won the pot ,I told him that he was being too result oriented and I could not have possibly pushed there as I wasn’t even in a great shape against BB let alone the fact that I had a player yet to act behind me.
What do we think folks?

Ste05

Hand 1: I presume there were a number of Button v BB hands similar to this one, so it was probably one of those had to be there moments, having said that I'd probably have called.

Hand 2: Seems standard enough, might have preferred to CRAI, but it would depend on what he was like.

Hand 3: I probably would have lead either the flop or turn, probably the flop, but again there should have been a few Button v BB hands that would help with the decisions here.

Hand 4: Mneh, the unintentional mistake pre-flop doesn't have to be added to Post-Flop I just fold with the Button and SB still to act.

Although I think a push has merit, I think it'll fold alot of hands the Button and SB will have, (I'd nearly argue everything bar a set, up and down str8 flush draw and nut flush draw, certainly all TP hands).

Although I'd say you'll usually be flipping or fecked against the BB's range, so I probably just let it go.

BigCityBanker

Hand 1: I think you are ahead often enough to call in this spot. You have shown weakness by checking behind on the turn, a scare card arrives and RD sees his opportunity to take it down. I think id have bet the turn also.

Hand 2: Yeah apparently some dude folded KK preflop to Halfbaked on Saturday night, I agree that the money goes in if he has AA/KK so from that perspective i dont mind your bet. 4k is a weird amount into a 10k pot tho?

Hand 3: If thats your read then the play is pretty standard.

Hand 4: The guy behind folds everything but two pair + so from that alone if you jamm the likelihood of him folding is quite high. Im not sure id jamm here - i think i can find better spots - I think id have to be sitting at the table with him for a while before i could decide wether or not to jamm. He my well be sitting with A 10 or K 10 and figure he has a chance to take down the pot, and build his stack.

5starpool

Ste05 wrote:

[Hand 4: Mneh, the unintentional mistake pre-flop doesn't have to be added to Post-Flop I just fold with the Button and SB still to act.

There was no SB in the hand, we were just after going to 4 handed and I was the other player who had folded preflop so only the button to act after.

sikes

Hand1: Need a reason not the bet the turn, rather than to bet it.
Hand2: Dont like the reasoning for the bet. Just check and let him have a stab.
Hand3: I dont really like preflop, but its very read based so cant really comment on it. You seem to have a good grasp of him so its prob ok.
Hand4: IMO, a push would be fine, esp with a 25k push.

Ste05

5starpool wrote:

There was no SB in the hand, we were just after going to 4 handed and I was the other player who had folded preflop so only the button to act after.

Ohhhh, Gholi said "SB calls my bet", but he probably just mistyped that part. I think it should probably read "Button calls my bet, SB folded and BB [natters on about something]....." Hmm, makes it slightly less clear to me, I'd still probably still fold, but I like a push a little more than before.

5starpool

Ste05 wrote:

Ohhhh, Gholi said "SB calls my bet", but he probably just mistyped that part. I think it should probably read "Button calls my bet, SB folded and BB [natters on about something]....." Hmm, makes it slightly less clear to me, I'd still probably still fold, but I like a push a little more than before.

It should read:

There is only a BB in the hand as we have just lost a player, UTG (tight fecker) folds, and I (Gholi monster) raise to 6k, followed by said UTG tight fecker stating 'Ah, ye olde minraise', followed by confused look on my (gholi monster) face as I (Gholi monster) didn't realise the blinds had gone up. Loose player on the button calls, and BB thinks and calls, and when asked why responded that 'All I need to do is hit the right flop'.

5starpool

Gholi,

I think you should get Ian to post the hand where (on your behalf, with your chips) he bets 12k into a pot of 1800.

Gholimoli

Hand 1:
RD was playing extremely tight.
I really didn’t want to make the pot big at all on that bored.
If I bet the turn and he comes over the top I have a decision to make.
On the river I really wasn’t beating much bar a bluff.
I don’t think he had an over pair as he would more than likely check/call with them rather than lead .his hand would have some show down equity so I think that’s how he would play an over pair.
His bet is either a total bluff or at least a flush.
The game wasn’t playing big so I didn’t think he would bluff there specially since he was playing tight.


Hand 4:
There is 18K in the pot.
BB shoves for about 25K.
Im getting 1.7:1 here.
Even forgetting about the button (which I think deffo has to considered) I think im getting 1.7:1 on a situation which at best I think im a slight dog and at worse im a big dog.
Against a flush draw with two overs (which I think was his min range for shoving) and if he a ten which he would often im drawing to 3outs and have something like 12% equity.
I don’t think is a good situation at all for me to get my chips in but im open to be convinced other wise.

ianmc38

Hand 1 is awful. There's no reason to check the turn. With 33 on the board, you should be looking to get it allin. Its also very likely he has a flush draw, so protect your hand!

Hand 2: Not a place for a donk bet. Thats really awful. GIve the guy some rope.

Hand 3. Bet the flop. CRAI n the turn is fine ubt id rather you bet the flop.

Hand 4. Dont mind HalfBaked. He'd get you to fold AA on a 236 flop for 75 big blinds against an unknown. It's a very easy fold.

Ste05

Gholimoli wrote:

Hand 1:
RD was playing extremely tight.
I really didn’t want to make the pot big at all on that bored.

Are you mad?? On a 33c6c board, then a 4d. Exactly what hand does a "Really Tight" player have that you're worried about, an over pair makes up a huge portion of his range.

Gholimoli wrote:

If I bet the turn and he comes over the top I have a decision to make.

To insta-call??

Gholimoli wrote:

On the river I really wasn’t beating much bar a bluff.
I don’t think he had an over pair as he would more than likely check/call with them rather than lead .his hand would have some show down equity so I think that’s how he would play an over pair.

I think you're really thinking too much into this. You raise from the button, fire a continuation bet, check the turn, fold the River, he'll bet that River with loads of hands, and certainly nearly every over-pair, as it might get looked up by AK on one hand or might fold out a higher over pair like AA...:rolleyes:

Gholimoli

Yeah I should have prob bet the turn and possibly made a bigger bet on the flop with AA.
Having bet that specific amount on the flop and checking the turn I think maybe a river call was in order.
I still don’t think RD is leading the river with on over pair.
I think he either is bluffing with nothing or has my hand beat.
I don’t think it was the str or the 3 so I think it was the flush especially the way he should Jc .

Goodluck2me

Hand1 - i like your fold, as played your probably not beating much.
HAnd 2 - i dont mind leading if you think he is that strong. you check he checks behind jack on the turn and oh sh1t... if he is any way strong hes calling. AA/KK/AQ although he might cont bet 88+/AK so it depends on your reads.
hand 3 - you thought he was weak and suitable punished him. i dont mind a bet of the flop but if he calls your oop if you miss. played well imo.
hadn 4 - as PL says EZ fold - your playing for the win you shouldnt be trying to get all your ships in here with 2nd pair where your at best 50-50.

5starpool

You should post the hand against White Knight Ehsan

Gholimoli

5starpool wrote:

You should post the hand against White Knight Ehsan

i have no doubt in the correct way of playing that hand Dom.
what i did was the only way of playing it.:D

sikes

in hand 4 there is 1/2 players left to act after you?

if its one, the i would prob pump it. getting close to 2/1 on that kind of board. if it was heads up it would be a no brainer obv.

5starpool

sikes wrote:

in hand 4 there is 1/2 players left to act after you?

if its one, the i would prob pump it. getting close to 2/1 on that kind of board. if it was heads up it would be a no brainer obv.

3 in the hand, one all in, one yet to act.

HalfBaked

Gholimoli wrote:

Hand 4:
This hand was subject of much controversy between my self and halfbaked.
We disagreed on this hand totally and I like to know what every one else thinks.
We are 4 handed .
Im just after winning a pot and collecting my chips.blinds have just gone to 1500/3000 but I don’t notice and raise it to 6K from the CO .
I have J7o and have about 70K behind.
The button is the lad not from boards and has about 40K .
BB is some one from boards I do not know and has about 30K.
button calls my bet and BB says “ah sure I have to call 3 to win 18K ,all I need is a favorable flop” and then calls.

Flop(18K)
Th 7h 2s .

BB pushes for something like between 25K and 30K not sure of the exact amount.
I have button yet to act behind me.
I folded.
Halfbaked was suggesting that I should push here as he puts BB on a flush draw.
I agreed that flush draw was the most likely hand for BB but even so folding was the correct deceions here.
Button called with T9 after I folded and BB flipped over JhQh.
No help for BB and button won the pot.
Peter argued that he knew if I pushed button would have folded his TP.
Button later confirmed that yes if I pushed he would have folded.
Peter was saying then I would have won the pot ,I told him that he was being too result oriented and I could not have possibly pushed there as I wasn’t even in a great shape against BB let alone the fact that I had a player yet to act behind me.
What do we think folks?

When you've been up for 24 hours and drinking for the last 7 there is only one way to play this hand.;)

My recollection is the BB has got less chips than that, about the pot if I remember (circa 20K). He is quite clearly on the flush draw IMO and we have a chance to pick up 40K and knock out a player. We win this pot and we are a massive chips leader with 2/3 people left.

Even if we are wrong and he has two pair for example, or hits the flush we aren't in a horrific position. We still have above average chips and 50K with blinds 1.5/3K.

It's less a clear push in the cold light of day (sober) but I still like it.

Nice min raise pre flop by the way:rolleyes:

White Knight

5starpool wrote:

You should post the hand against White Knight Ehsan

In fairness to Ehsan, I can understand why he called. As it was the break starting a few from the other table were watching too. My bro thought I had air/draw as Gholi concluded and wisesmurf thought I had 2 pair :rolleyes:

Hectorjelly

I think the check on the turn is good in hand 1, but I would definitely call the river. Your hand is so undefined (well its defined as AK) that its no use putting WK on a hand, just call and see what he has.

HalfBaked

5starpool wrote:

Gholi,

I think you should get Ian to post the hand where (on your behalf, with your chips) he bets 12k into a pot of 1800.

Power poker Dom.

But in all honesty I have no idea(a few gaps in yesterdays memory):

a) what cards I had
b) what was on the board
c) how many players
d) had there been any pre flop action

But it was clearly a moment of miscalculation, I meant to bet 1200.


If you refresh my memory I might be able to remember.

5starpool

I only started paying attention when you said "I'll bet just over half the pot -12,000". I lol'ed.

HalfBaked

5starpool wrote:

I only started paying attention when you said "I'll bet just over half the pot -12,000". I lol'ed.

Lol, sounds about right!

Gholimoli

Hectorjelly wrote:

I think the check on the turn is good in hand 1, but I would definitely call the river. Your hand is so undefined (well its defined as AK) that its no use putting WK on a hand, just call and see what he has.

good point,glad to see you re still alive HJ.