Turbo STT's

gerry87

I was talking to someone who claims Turbo STT's are easier to win. How do turbo STT's rate against regular ones? Are they really just crapshoots or are is there a way to have an edge in them, since generally the other people are likely pretty impatient and will get the chips in quick with rubbish.

Or is it just a case of the longer blinds, the better player has more of an edge.

Mellor

gerry87 wrote:

I was talking to someone who claims Turbo STT's are easier to win. How do turbo STT's rate against regular ones? Are they really just crapshoots or are is there a way to have an edge in them, since generally the other people are likely pretty impatient and will get the chips in quick with rubbish.

Or is it just a case of the longer blinds, the better player has more of an edge.

You summed it up nicely with the last line.
It is very easy to run bad in these through no fault of your own. They are more luck based than the longer ones, but worse players do play them.

HiCloy

gerry87 wrote:

I was talking to someone who claims Turbo STT's are easier to win. How do turbo STT's rate against regular ones? Are they really just crapshoots or are is there a way to have an edge in them, since generally the other people are likely pretty impatient and will get the chips in quick with rubbish.

Or is it just a case of the longer blinds, the better player has more of an edge.

Yes they are really just crapshoots. It would be hard to even beat the rake in them. You should be just getting your chips in quickly with rubbish early, but folding a lot around bubble time

Longer blinds and deeper stacks give better players more of an edge

bohsman

Turbo stts are far easier to beat if you believe in pushing edges, I realise that a lot of donkament players dont like risking chips as small favourites.
Follow the exact opposite strategy to that given by hicloy.

Lissavalley

Just dont play them. Anyone I know that does play them is the bad player but likes to gamble type.

Id imagine betting your big hands bigger than you normally do should help.

delanec8

Lissavalley wrote:

Just dont play them. Anyone I know that does play them is the bad player but likes to gamble type.

Why would you advise a good player not to play them so? There are plenty of players who don't understand pushbot poker and in response to anyone saying its very difficult to beat these games, this is completely wrong.

Lissavalley

delanec8 wrote:

Why would you advise a good player not to play them so? There are plenty of players who don't understand pushbot poker and in response to anyone saying its very difficult to beat these games, this is completely wrong.

Personally I just hate playing these type of tournments. Many times I have played them and there could be 5/6 players left and Id say you have almost exactly the same chance of winning the thing regardless of whether you're playing top internets pros or a bunch of donkeys.

Juan Pablo

Before writing them off define turbo. Turbo on Tribeca (RIP) blinds were 1 minute, whereas Turbo on Stars blinds are 5 minutes. Two totally different games. While the one minute tournies are an absolute farce, the 5 minute games on Stars are quite profitable as they are awash with weak passive types.

pigeonbutler

Turbos on Microgaming (Formerly Prima) network are total crapshoots. Each level is 6 hands. And then there's Extreme Turbos where each level is just 2 hands!!!! It's total madness.

sikes

I would never consider playing a normal speed stt anymore, the time you spend eeking out that tiny bit of extra profit over a turbo is just pointless. Also turbos are more fun.

but, yeah, what bohsman said.

DeadParrot

There is a pushbot chart floating around 2+2, albeit as boring as hell, if you stick to it you can return a decent profit at turbo stt's.

I've just realised I hate STT's now. So many people treat them like a 'game' you know, level 1 jump here, duck, push, fold, expecting to play a 'boss' for the win.....like a computer game. Probably not a great analogy but there you go.

Goodluck2me

bohsman wrote:

Follow the exact opposite strategy to that given by hicloy.

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HiCloy

bohsman wrote:

Follow the exact opposite strategy to that given by hicloy.

I was just trying to soften up the games for myself!

What I meant was don't play too tight early on, due to the blind structure you're raising range should expand.

As with any STT I think taking coin flips around bubble time is a very bad move EV wise. The payout structure is usually something of the order of 50%, 30%, 20% for a nine seater so the gain from winning it isn't much more than the gain from coming third. It can often be correct to fold AK to a push if there's a shortstack who's not invloved in the hand.

Compare this to a large field MTTs where I think you should actively raise around bubble time if a lot of players are trying to scrape into the money. Here, the payout strusture is a lot steeper so the times you go out just before the money are more than covered by the times you get a good position to win overall

dvdfan

I dont play Turbos but i do play standard stt's and i have to say sacrificing 3rd place and/or ITM to win 1st is of great importance. Unless you have a table of calling stations and your the bigstack then you have to be very aggressive on the bubble. Im pushing a massive range of hands from the button and sometimes CO if i think they are any way tight, every time.

Im definetely not folding AK wheter theres a shortstack or not, even if its an all in from the same size stack as me, they are pushing such a wide range of hands anyway that im likely ahead and if not ahead im racing and if i win the race ive a great shot at first.

Saying that my ROI is -13% at the moment so my posts dont have that much weight.:o

bohsman

HiCloy wrote:

I was just trying to soften up the games for myself!

What I meant was don't play too tight early on, due to the blind structure you're raising range should expand.

As with any STT I think taking coin flips around bubble time is a very bad move EV wise. The payout structure is usually something of the order of 50%, 30%, 20% for a nine seater so the gain from winning it isn't much more than the gain from coming third. It can often be correct to fold AK to a push if there's a shortstack who's not invloved in the hand.

Compare this to a large field MTTs where I think you should actively raise around bubble time if a lot of players are trying to scrape into the money. Here, the payout strusture is a lot steeper so the times you go out just before the money are more than covered by the times you get a good position to win overall

I fold everything bar an absolute monster the first few levels, around the bubble I push every hand knowing that people are willing to fold AK.