IO rules queries.

jacQues

So I'm playing in the IO. Well, maybe not me in person but certainly in spirit via the syndicate. Looking up the rules I have some queries.

10. Players are not allowed to show their cards to others during a hand. If a player reveals their hand it will be declared dead.

Define "others"? Other live players at the table or other players sitting at the table or anyone at all?

18. The minimum raise is double the previous bet.

I can read this two ways. Is this Irish rules or international rules?

22. Players can move to the button, the small blind and the big blind. A player who intentionally dodges his blinds when moving from a broken table may forfeit the blinds and incur a penalty.

Huh? What? Can someone explain this in simple English to me? Surely one cannot choose where to sit when moved.

23. If a player is taking too much time to make a decision, another player involved in the pot or the tournament director may ask for the clock. If this happens, the player has 60 seconds to make a decision and after the 60 seconds the hand will be dead.

So if I folded I cannot call the clock for some slow f*** at my table taking an hour to think? Whoa! Why is that?

jacQues

sendic

jacQues wrote:

22. Players can move to the button, the small blind and the big blind. A player who intentionally dodges his blinds when moving from a broken table may forfeit the blinds and incur a penalty.

Say your table was broken and on your way to the new table you noticed your new seat number was about to be the big blind. So instead of taking you seat straight away, you stop for a chat with your buddy and wait til the button has passed you. This would be intentionally dodging your blind. (imho)

Goodluck2me

jacQues wrote:

So I'm playing in the IO. Well, maybe not me in person but certainly in spirit via the syndicate. Looking up the rules I have some queries.


Define "others"? Other live players at the table or other players sitting at the table or anyone at all?
This means im pretty sure others at the table, although i am unsure of the railer issue

I can read this two ways. Is this Irish rules or international rules?
This is irish Rules, and in stead of the double the last raise. its so the game doesnt go 100-200, riase to 400 raise to 600-800 etc.... its speeds thigns up a bit.

Huh? What? Can someone explain this in simple English to me? Surely one cannot choose where to sit when moved.
This means that you can come into the first hand when you sit down to a new table into the positon of the Small Blind. the second part is when youa re being moved tables you take AGES to get to your table on purpose to miss your blinds etc and is a good rule

So if I folded I cannot call the clock for some slow f*** at my table taking an hour to think? Whoa! Why is that?
id be surprised if this isnt just a typo.
jacQues

hope this helps

Goodluck2me

jacQues wrote:

So I'm playing in the IO. Well, maybe not me in person but certainly in spirit via the syndicate. Looking up the rules I have some queries.


Define "others"? Other live players at the table or other players sitting at the table or anyone at all?
This means im pretty sure others at the table, although i am unsure of the railer issue

I can read this two ways. Is this Irish rules or international rules?
This is irish Rules, and in stead of the double the last raise. its so the game doesnt go 100-200, riase to 400 raise to 600-800 etc.... its speeds thigns up a bit.

Huh? What? Can someone explain this in simple English to me? Surely one cannot choose where to sit when moved.
This means that you can come into the first hand when you sit down to a new table into the positon of the Small Blind. the second part is when youa re being moved tables you take AGES to get to your table on purpose to miss your blinds etc and is a good rule

So if I folded I cannot call the clock for some slow f*** at my table taking an hour to think? Whoa! Why is that?
id be surprised if this isnt just a typo.
jacQues

hope this helps

Flushdraw

18. The minimum raise is double the previous bet.

This is a bit self explanatory. If blinds are 100/200 and someone raises to 600, the next raise must be at least double the previous bet i.e. 1200 min

DeVore

I would agree with those rules except the last one... eg: if you are short stacked and someone is taking the mick about a decision you should be able to call clock regardless of whether you are in the current hand or not.

DeV.

Goodluck2me

DeVore wrote:

I would agree with those rules except the last one... eg: if you are short stacked and someone is taking the mick about a decision you should be able to call clock regardless of whether you are in the current hand or not.

DeV.

im pretty sure that is the rule tbh, it was jsut worded incorrectly

shoutman

Some of the other words are pretty strange tbh, one which happened to joe at the student poker championships i thought was crazy, joe can explain it but liam flood came over and gave the official irish open ruling on it which i thought was plain wrong.

Goodluck2me

shoutman wrote:

Some of the other words are pretty strange tbh, one which happened to joe at the student poker championships i thought was crazy, joe can explain it but liam flood came over and gave the official irish open ruling on it which i thought was plain wrong.

was this the showing cards ruling or what? im not sure which one you are talkign about?

kincsem

23. If a player is taking too much time to make a decision, another player involved in the pot or the tournament director may ask for the clock. If this happens, the player has 60 seconds to make a decision and after the 60 seconds the hand will be dead.

I take that to mean anyone who has a live hand or anyone who has folded a hand at the table.

I was dealing at the student poker in the RDS and Liam Flood did give a strange ruling (was it - hand is dead if not sitting at the table when the last card is dealt?).

shoutman

goodluck2me wrote:

was this the showing cards ruling or what? im not sure which one you are talkign about?

Nope it wasnt about that, maybe it wasnt you at all, but you were in sb or something and whatever way happened your hand was ruled dead and it was through nothing you did at all. I cant remember the details now though.

Goodluck2me

was this the guy who got three cards? no it wasnt me at all, the only one i seen was the exposed hand was deemed to be live. i.e. when your man flashed a Queen on a queen high board his hand wasnt dead.

Goodluck2me

kincsem wrote:

23. If a player is taking too much time to make a decision, another player involved in the pot or the tournament director may ask for the clock. If this happens, the player has 60 seconds to make a decision and after the 60 seconds the hand will be dead.

I take that to mean anyone who has a live hand or anyone who has folded a hand at the table.

I was dealing at the student poker in the RDS and Liam Flood did give a strange ruling (was it - hand is dead if not sitting at the table when the last card is dealt?).

no that is the norm now, its when the deal is completed, it was judged to be too harsh on the players for it to be the first card. PE, JP and the Jackpot all use those rules now, im pretty sure the fitz since March 07 too.

5starpool

Fitz is the first card.

shoutman

goodluck2me wrote:

was this the guy who got three cards? no it wasnt me at all, the only one i seen was the exposed hand was deemed to be live. i.e. when your man flashed a Queen on a queen high board his hand wasnt dead.

Yea thats the one,, the guy got three cards with two stuck together so he wasnt aware until action came to him when he told the dealer, it wasnt his fault at all and his hand was declared dead, if he was short and in the bb it would be a disaster, i just thought it was an unfair ruling.

5starpool

shoutman wrote:

Yea thats the one,, the guy got three cards with two stuck together so he wasnt aware until action came to him when he told the dealer, it wasnt his fault at all and his hand was declared dead, if he was short and in the bb it would be a disaster, i just thought it was an unfair ruling.

No other way to do it if action has taken place and a few folds even are significant action.

shoutman

would bum deal not be more appropriate, the guy hadnt even looked at the three cards, he had just noticed that he had three when action got around to him and he went to space them out.

pppspecial

bum deal cannot take place as there has been more than 2 actions.. the correct ruling imo was made here as its the players responsibility to make sure he gets the appropriate number off cards same way as its his responsibilty to protect his cards. now he has been protecting his cards and another extra card therfore deeming his hand dead.
if it was a case off him realising straight away thats fair enough but whos not to say he hadnt looked at them and also can any1 be sure which card is meant to be his. very unfortunate but thats why we have tds in this game. liam is a top class td and 1 off the fairest i know and have played under.
correct me if im wrong any1 please.

Goodluck2me

shoutman wrote:

would bum deal not be more appropriate, the guy hadnt even looked at the three cards, he had just noticed that he had three when action got around to him and he went to space them out.

there was a thread on this at the time, it was deemed the fairest ithink when considering angle-shooting etc. there will always be bizarre rules until there is one specific conclusive rule book for poker. house rules vary too much imo.