So, Earth then...[Spoilers]

Overheal

well like someone else put it; maybe the fleet is the 13th tribe. They made their leave from Kobol, but only "after they took the high road, the rocky road that lead to the tomb, and the way to Earth".

I believe they are the 13th tribe.

When they get to earth I reckon that its going to be inhabited by no one, and will be an apocalyptic wasteland or has evidence of a civilization long extinct in such a manner.

I believe then, that the Cylons

were made by man with the sole, concious purpose of challenging humanity to survive. All of this has happened before and al of this wil happen again: its possible that the Cylons facilitate and perpetuate this vital challenge to the human condition. Thats why the Cylon Models were so pivotal, especially the final 5: each one in a position (presumably) to alter mankind's course.

its a lot to consider anyway: whatya think?

8T8

Not sure really what to make of it but the probe that spawned the virus was out there for a long time so someone (13th tribe?) went to an lot of trouble to leave clues as to the location of earth along with the temple, whether anyone is still alive on earth in the story line is hard to say.


Could be there is some (minimal) linkage back to the original series for those who have forgotten it:

In the original BSG after eventually escaping the cylons to the point they where no longer an immediate threat they stumbled into a sort of war between god's with the seraphs taking on an evil seraph or more who where responsible for the cylon's creation and or corruption . The gods where beings who existed in flesh at one time but evolved into their godlike form sort of like the ancients deal from Stargate (Edit: wiki link).

Maybe the 13th tribe ascended & are gods of a sort and manifest themselves as the spirits/messengers who speak to Baltar, six etc. & the final five are physical manifestations of them to bridge the gap between the two species though to what end is a mystery to me.

What happens when they get to earth well who knows really could be good or bad ?

The Freeman

very interesting guys...............

seen as they were hearing 'bob dylan' music at the end there, and it would take hundreds of years to travel that distance to the nebula, it means that earth will be a major victim of the global warming by then and proberly repairing itself!, don't forget that the writers are not afraid to take the stand on politics of this nature like they have in the past, they may even find a bunker with the advanced u.s. army(or more realisticly chinese army) when they get to earth who happen to have a secret waepon to take out the cylaun invasion( war of the worlds anyone:p ) ever thought of that??

Bazookatone

I have a feeling that Ronald D Moore may end the show without the fleet ever reaching Earth. I don't mean it'll be left open ended, but I think that they might take the view that the last episode should have E J Olmos echoing lorne Greenes words at the end of each episode, and just end with a shot of the fleet continuing their journey.

Perhaps, the Cylons and Humans will have to make an alliance to survive after some kind of massive disaster, forcing the integration of the species, and eventually the people who reach Earth are human cylon hybrids, and it turns out, as someone said earlier, that this new species is the "thirteenth tribe"

(if this was the simpsons, the scene would now change to Ronald D Moore reading this forum, and going "Hmmmmm....")

Khannie

omg, can someone confirm to me by PM that the title of this thread is not a spoiler in itself? I have not read any of the content.

The Freeman

Khannie wrote:

omg, can someone confirm to me by PM that the title of this thread is not a spoiler in itself? I have not read any of the content.

done!;)

_CreeD_

Quick/rough synopsis of my own mind wanderings:

The 13th tribe created what now consider themselves humans. There was a war, hence leaving Cobol and the bodies found/stories of calamity and also a curiously vague written history for a people that had the technology for space travel at the time. There were 12 AIs, or similarly important leaders of the created races. The Cylons either found Cobol and reactivated them, or if they were people at least used their DNA to created their 12 models. Members of this original 12 (Either all or just those mysterious 5) are manipulating both human and Cylon to most likely further evolution as they see it (Survival of the fittest but also keeping balance so that the losers did not get completely wiped out), then fostering interbreeding to keep some of the better traits of the 'humans'.
The 13th tribe are not going to be very happy to see any of them arrive.

One alternate is that this is the 13th tribe are incredibly advanced and are themselves manipulating their return but only wanting the strongest to reach earth.

Either way the forces pushing both sides to earth are fostering conflict but also balance before complete annihilation and are not Human or Cylon.

Vokes

Yeh, would be best if a Mod add "Season 3 spoilers" to the thread title.


On-topic: Like the OP, I reckon the rag-tag fugitive fleet is the 13th tribe on their way to Earth (not ours). When they get there the place will be literally a paradise - no evidence of a prior civalization (but maybe some dinosaur bones )

Creed's theory above regarding some other group manipulating the Cylons and Colonials is interesting. Given Moore's previous work on DS9, i reckon its most likely the Gods (or God if you're a Cylon fan) guiding everyone along.

CiDeRmAn

The continuous use of greek gods and references to greek myth suggests a deep link between the greeks and the humans of the show, it also suggests some sort of race memory where features of a technologically advanced history are remembered as myth, after some sort of calamity has thrown the people back to a more primitve way of life, perhaps they will work the Atlantis myth in, technologically advanced people, place destroyed, refugees go on to form the basis of greek and egyptian societies, they develop into the societies we are familiar with as Western civilisation and as this goes on the other 12 tribes have their trials and tribulations and arrive at their exodus, that should put them on their journey to earth in or around 2500 AD, no?

HEATZ

the probe with the virus looked like the voyager probe!

i dont rekon that anders and tigh ect are cylons at all but decendants of the origanl 13th tribe and theres something in the nebula trigering the music in there blood

CiDeRmAn

Yeah, not so much Cylons awakening as some sort of genetic trigger, perhaps left there to awaken the worthy, those of the right genetic inheritance, perhaps descendants of the original crew of the colony ships from Kobol, they to act as guides, like a pilot in a seaport, guiding larger craft to safe harbour.

katarin

I read a theory online that Starbuck, on reaching earth could have broadcast the bob dylan music to the other four of five (assuming she is number five), and that's the trigger. its a bit out there, but it fits with the chronology of the first series, where the fleet arrive at earth and its still in the 1960s and not technologically advanced enough.

further to the greek thing, the name of the nebula is the Ionian Nebula, right? Ionian is a style of greek art, i think it's the earliest of the classical period. it makes sense that the people of 2500 years ago on earth would worship the same gods and use the same words as the other tribes if they were the 13th tribe who landed on earth, and by about the time the fleet are at the ionian nebula, 'all along the watchtower' has been written and is popular.

amen

have you read the lyrics to 'all along the watchtower' ?

maybe they are a hint of what is to come?

Dontico

Maybe the writers are fans of Plato? Atlantis?
There was origionaly 12 tribes in Atlantis?
Maybe there is somethere?

Overheal

My Brain is fried on the subject.

After reading through so much hypothetical data I have surmised that there is of yet no concrete theory which might explain the tangent Ronald D. Moore is currently on.

Henceforth I await Pegasus to hopefully shed one or two new breadcrumbs on the situation.

Failing that I suppose Im waiting until next year for season 4.

And in the meantime everyone seems to have their own theory and Im finding it difficult to derive a pattern from all of them; except to say that the 4 are cylons, the 5 wish to find earth and make it their own, and that Starbuck is not "dead" and her viper is "intact"....

Basically, we only know as much as we have been told, and Ron has either accidentally or carefully kept hidden the missing link.

8T8

Overheal wrote:

My Brain is fried on the subject.

After reading through so much hypothetical data I have surmised that there is of yet no concrete theory which might explain the tangent Ronald D. Moore is currently on.

Henceforth I await Pegasus to hopefully shed one or two new breadcrumbs on the situation.

Failing that I suppose Im waiting until next year for season 4.

And in the meantime everyone seems to have their own theory and Im finding it difficult to derive a pattern from all of them; except to say that the 4 are cylons, the 5 wish to find earth and make it their own, and that Starbuck is not "dead" and her viper is "intact"....

Basically, we only know as much as we have been told, and Ron has either accidentally or carefully kept hidden the missing link.

In a recent interview he did say that they will be exploring/explaining the mysticism element so hopefully we will get solid answers in season 4.

The whole Pegasus mini-series thing from what I understand at most will only offer breadcrumbs on anything affecting the main story line.

I think Starbuck is probably one of the head spirits/angles like six in Baltar though Moore never implies it if you listen to the Podcast Moore explains that they originally planned Starbuck to appear in Lee's quarters when he grabs his flying suit.

This would neatly explain why she has a viper and appears to phase in & out as she stalks Apollo's viper in the gas cloud & why he does not see her as she goes past him.

Khannie

Just watched the last episode there last night. Couldn't drag it out any longer.

Some really good theories in here. I did intially take it on face value that the 4 were in fact Cylons but I really like the idea that they have a genetic marker that was awoken upon reaching the nebula.

Can't add any more to the theories already here.

Oh....I can't remember who it was....but whoever spoiled the starbuck thing for me.......ASSHOLE! :mad:

edit: I have to say though, I think the show could really open up when they hit earth. Some think of it as a final chapter, but there really are so many creative possibilities. e.g. Earth humans are backward, fleet gets there, tools up the earthies before the cylons get there, all out war then. Otherwise, earthies are highly advanced and wipe out an initial cylon fleet, then there's an attempt to retake caprica, etc.

Definitely room for a 5th season with quality storylines. Definitely.

CiDeRmAn

Once they don't screw around and make it a conteporary earth, either future or ancient past, future earth could be interesting given that we could be technologically superior to both colonian and cylon tech, or ancient, where the colonials settle here forming say, the origin of the atlantean myths, before they succum to history and become part of it, only they're religious icons surviving. Although the existence of the earth probe suggests that the earth they find will be deep into our future.
Of course they could get here and find an empty, devestated world, or a pile of rubble, and the journey has to continue, forever, not all that likely given that the 4th season is to be the last.

Vokes

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Of course they could get here and find an empty, devestated world, or a pile of rubble, and the journey has to continue, forever, not all that likely given that the 4th season is to be the last.

I wouldn't bet against that. Them finding Earth abandoned / ruined and having to continue on running and the series ending open-ended like that.

That'd be a sickener for the Colonials

Anti

Overheal wrote:

well like someone else put it; maybe the fleet is the 13th tribe. They made their leave from Kobol, but only "after they took the high road, the rocky road that lead to the tomb, and the way to Earth".

I believe they are the 13th tribe.

When they get to earth I reckon that its going to be inhabited by no one, and will be an apocalyptic wasteland or has evidence of a civilization long extinct in such a manner.

I believe then, that the Cylons

were made by man with the sole, concious purpose of challenging humanity to survive. All of this has happened before and al of this wil happen again: its possible that the Cylons facilitate and perpetuate this vital challenge to the human condition. Thats why the Cylon Models were so pivotal, especially the final 5: each one in a position (presumably) to alter mankind's course.

its a lot to consider anyway: whatya think?

It sounds very plausible to me. And you have now wrecked my head for the day

/me shakes fist

komodosp

What I'd love to see is a sort of hopeless ending. They reach Earth with their last ounces of strength, no fuel, no jump drives, hardly any Vipers or pilots, only to find, when they land, the Cylons have gotten there first, and now occupy the planet just as they did Caprica and the other 11 colonies

THE END

8T8

Warning contains two season 4 ***spoilers***

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33248

I'll only mention the first one as it was already alluded to in this thread & I think I was not too far off the mark in that the final five are as we know a different breed of cylon but that they are also going to be revealed as the cylon gods (plus it mentions they are immortal).

Khannie

komodosp wrote:

What I'd love to see is a sort of hopeless ending. They reach Earth with their last ounces of strength, no fuel, no jump drives, hardly any Vipers or pilots, only to find, when they land, the Cylons have gotten there first, and now occupy the planet just as they did Caprica and the other 11 colonies

THE END

That would be an excellent ending. The miniseries ended on a real downer, so something like this is a possibility.

User45701

Id say allot of people will die, also i dont know why but i have a feeling geata wont die.

komodosp - if your right then on the topic based on the last episode all you have to do is quote that post you made that would be funny