2 hands for ye

Lissavalley · 28-03-2007 10:35am #1

Live pot limit cash game. Blinds are 1e 3e.

Hand number 1; We are 8 handed. Good Lag player limps utg. I pot to 15 with QhQd. Button (fish) and limpers call.

Flop is 478 rainbow. Limper checks. I pot to 50. Button calls. Limper checkraises to 150. Actions on me. I have 200 behind.

Hand number 2; I am in bb with 9h 9c. UTG raises to 10. 3 callers. I call. Pot is 50.

Flop is 10 8 6 rainbow. Sb checks. Actions on me.. I have 150 behind.

HiCloy · 28-03-2007 10:42am

Hand 1:

Fold. And no need to pot such a dry flop, lead for €35 or so. A good lag player limping under the gun would have a set or even a straight here a lot.

Hand 2:

Check/fold. I'd never bet into 3 players with 99 here

phantom_lord · 28-03-2007 10:50am

1. yeah, probably fold, but I wouldn't be happy with it at all.

2. check?

LuckyLloyd · 28-03-2007 10:51am

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Lissavalley · 28-03-2007 11:06am

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Hand One:
Does the UTG limper do this often? Would he generally only play pots from position? Would ne normally open - raise? Does he ever play AA // KK from UTG // UTG + 2 like this??

From your previous posts on this forum I am guesssing that you have an absolute rock solid image, and it is known that you make huge folds. The fact that you aren't just insta going broke on this board is an indication that Check raise bluffing you would be positive EV.

UTG limper would never play big pairs that way. he makes a standard raise.

LAG knows Im tight but I dont think he'd make a bluff/ semi bluff into me with a smooth caller already.

LuckyLloyd · 28-03-2007 11:10am

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con_leche · 28-03-2007 2:57pm

Hand 1 depends on the villain:

If this is the 4 Aces Galway, there are many regulars who will make this move with an OESD, or OESD with 1 pair, hoping not to go to showdown, and this needs to be factored in to your thinking.

Similarly, if they have flopped a set, they know you have an over-pair, and know you have to fire again on the turn, and by the sounds of it they know you are capable of a big fold, so why the CR, effectively putting you all in?

Trying to get more money in on the flop just seems fishy to me, so probably a fold, but not straightforward.

Hand 2:
If I am playing 250+ I am happy to bet 2/3 of pot here and fold to resistance.

Edit:
Yes I am a fish.

Lissavalley · 28-03-2007 5:19pm

Yep the 4 aces alright. Hand number 1 I folded. I knew the villain in question and by the bet he was telling me had a big hand.

I folded. Button pushed all in and villain called with his set of 7s. Button had A8o.

2nd hand I led for 35. Folded to button this hand pushed for 50. He had q8s. I hit a 7 on turn for the straight.

Tar.Aldarion · 28-03-2007 5:27pm

For me.
1. Fold
2. check

Lissavalley · 28-03-2007 5:36pm

Just on a side note, I posted the same hands on 2+2 and the advice is a lot different. In fact for hand 1 I believe every poster said to push.

phantom_lord · 28-03-2007 5:38pm

link?

Tar.Aldarion · 28-03-2007 5:42pm

Lissavalley wrote:

Just on a side note, I posted the same hands on 2+2 and the advice is a lot different. In fact for hand 1 I believe every poster said to push.

It depends on teh opponent, the way you describe him, it is a fold for me. He could have two pair, a straight or a set in his range.

Lissavalley · 28-03-2007 5:44pm

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=ssplnlpoker&Number=9714325&Searchpage=1&Main=9693891&Words=+Dazza1984&topic=&Search=true#Post9714325

sikes · 28-03-2007 5:46pm

limp, call utg -> PP loads

Macspower · 28-03-2007 5:46pm

what were their names.... where do they play.....

phantom_lord · 28-03-2007 5:48pm

such idiots on 2+2

ollyk1 · 28-03-2007 5:53pm

Lissavalley wrote:

Just on a side note, I posted the same hands on 2+2 and the advice is a lot different. In fact for hand 1 I believe every poster said to push.

2 posters and one just repeated what had been said. Hardly a huge sample.:rolleyes:

Hand 1 seems a standard fold given your tight image and the button caller. I would echo the comments about your bet size on the flop too 35- 40 seems better to me unless you make bluff c-bets of this size regularly which given what you've said about your own image seems unlikely.

Lissavalley · 28-03-2007 5:59pm

ollyk1 wrote:

Hand 1 seems a standard fold given your tight image and the button caller. I would echo the comments about your bet size on the flop too 35- 40 seems better to me unless you make bluff c-bets of this size regularly which given what you've said about your own image seems unlikely.

Reason I bet pot is I wanted to extract maximum from button who looked like he was ready to call. I knew I had his range beaten and felt that If UTG had a hand I could get away which I did.

LuckyLloyd · 28-03-2007 6:49pm

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cooker3 · 29-03-2007 10:28am

LuckyLloyd wrote:

SSNL on 2 + 2 is an utter waste of time.

The sticky with all the best threads is some of the best stuff I have seen written on poker

LuckyLloyd · 29-03-2007 10:45am

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cooker3 · 29-03-2007 10:49am

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Sure, most of the forums on 2 + 2 have stickies with great previous threads. However, the general atmosphere and standard of advice in what I have seen there recently is quite bad. There are some great posters, and some worthwile stuff. But there is a lot of rubbish to be waded through first.

Agreed, the signal to noise ratio on twoplustwo is pretty bad but the quality posts that appear make it worth wading through all the ego crap that goes on.

2 hands for ye

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