Weird turn bet in live cash game?

jacQues

Below happened to me recently. 1/3 NL Texas hold'em live cash game.

MP, seems solid enough and tight-agressive, but he's a new face to me, raises 7 euro to 10 euro. He's playing about 220 euro. There were no limpers and I call with AQ off in the cutoff. I have about 190 euro. Everyone else folds, even the blinds. Must be my rocky table image.

Pot: 24 euro, flop: Ad Js 9d

MP bets 20 euro and I raise another 30 euro to 50 euro. He thinks for about 20 seconds and calls.

Pot: 124 euro, turn: Ac

MP bets 75 euro. This bet seemed very strange to me and I pondered the situation for some time. Either he's semi-bluffing with Ax or a missed pocket pair or he's got AK. I don't think he would bet with AJ/A9/JJ/99 here, since I showed considerable strength on the flop. (I would definitely have bet on the turn if he checked, and I feel he knew that.)

How often am I behind here and how often in front?
Easy fold / call / raise?

jacQues

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Ste05

Doesn't really matter what he has, your hand is too strong to fold given your stack size and the size of the pot. But I'd imagine you'll win this plenty enough to make it a very profitable push. So yes I push and I get the feeling he's a donkey who was betting for information and folded.

phantom_lord

why did u raise the flop?

jacQues

phantom_lord wrote:

why did u raise the flop?

Because I felt that he was solid TAG and I wanted to know there and then if he flopped a set. If he'd reraised on my flop raise I'd folded. I was quite sure he wouldn't reraise me (rock) with anything less than a set.

Since he called he had a hand alright, but not a set. Thus now the only hands that would beat me were AK / AJ / A9. I still felt that he could have QQ or something and (correctly) thought that I either didn't have an ace or would lay down a small kicker. Q isn't exactly small though.

jacQues

Gholimoli

So you are saying that this villain is so tight that he would only 3 bet you on the flop with a set but at the same time he would call your reraise with QQ and then lead the turn with it as well???

This does not make any sense what so ever.
If he is as tight as you say then raising his flop bet is a big mistake.
He will never fold a better hand and would never call with a worse one so you gain nothing from raising him.
You should have just called the flop bet .

On the turn when the second A comes and he leads again if he is as tight as you say I would still be very worried and just call.

As played im shoving this on the turn simply cuz I don’t think any ones range is as tight as you say and also the pot is big now.

jacQues

Gholimoli wrote:

So you are saying that this villain is so tight that he would only 3 bet you on the flop with a set but at the same time he would call your reraise with QQ and then lead the turn with it as well???
This does not make any sense what so ever.

Correct.

The thing that doesn't make sense is his turn bet.

Its either a (semi-)bluff or an attempt to make it look like a bluff. This is a funny situation where I know that he thinks he's got me but my hand is very very strong so who's got who here?

I felt that he bet the turn that way to throw me off and I couldn't figure out whether he wanted me to call or fold. (I could be wrong here of-course.)

After thinking long I was worried and did exactly what you suggested: call...

jacQues

phantom_lord

raising the flop is really bad.

unless he's a complete moron he's not leading the turn without an ace, and you're hand isn't really that strong tbf.

jacQues

phantom_lord wrote:

raising the flop is really bad.

unless he's a complete moron he's not leading the turn without an ace, and you're hand isn't really that strong tbf.

He would definitely bet out with a set on the flop, since he knows how I play and will call with a good ace. In fact, most players there would. I know exactly which ones would not. I'm one of the few who would check the flop with a set.

Also, he would bet out with a missed pocket pair.

Just call? Then on the turn I still have no clue! Re-raising on the turn would be pointless since it would be me all-in. I don't like going all-in (whether calling or raising) blindly with TP2ndK.

jacQues

valor

dont raise the flop, put the rest in on turn

Captain Tom

dont raise flop.as played push turn.

your reads here on villian are way off.you think hes tag yet you think he also may have floated you oop on an ace high flop and bet this turn with a pp.extremely unlikely.

5starpool

If I have 99 I play it the same way as your opponent, and the A on the turn would generally be a good card if he held 99 as the only hand he is realistically behind is AJ and he will get action off AQ/AK a lot here.

Edit to say that I don't think your minraise showed considerable strength either.

valor

99 should shove the flop

jacQues

5starpool wrote:

If I have 99 I play it the same way as your opponent, and the A on the turn would generally be a good card if he held 99 as the only hand he is realistically behind is AJ and he will get action off AQ/AK a lot here.

Edit to say that I don't think your minraise showed considerable strength either.

You may play 99 that way but he didn't. Reads are what make me a winning player. Also I didn't minraise. And with my rock table-image it displayed very strong.

jacQues
(winning hamster)

I called the turn. River comes up J. He pushes and I call (would have called on any river but was happy to see the J). He shows AK and we split the pot.

opr

This thread is mental i think you have completly missed the point of the advice that nearly everyone on the thread was trying to give you.

Opr