$20 FT Stt - AJ facing Button steal

dvdfan

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t120/t240
5 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1695
CO: t2105
Button: t2650
SB: t2510
Hero: t4540

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with ad jd
2 folds, Button raises to t480, SB folds, Hero calls t240 (pot was t840).

Flop: td 5s 5h (t1080, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ah (t1080, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t240, Hero calls t240 (pot was t1320).

River: jh (t1560, 2 players)
Hero bets t600, Button raises to t1510....Hero?????

How did i play this?

ligger

I call. Think u are getting a great price to call and unless he has rivered a flush I think your hand is probably good, but don't see how you can fold for 900 more into that pot.

DeadParrot

ligger wrote:

I call. Think u are getting a great price to call and unless he has rivered a flush I think your hand is probably good, but don't see how you can fold for 900 more into that pot.

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Ste05

I just put him in PF, or on the flop, or on the turn. As played, I put him in now.

phantom_lord

u can't even consider folding here

valor

I would shove preflop

I think you are beaten on the river almost always

TheRock

I would have reraised PF definitely.

As it played out, its a definite call.
(as you've posted it I reckon he was on the steal PF and has a 5).

Ste05

valor wrote:

I think you are beaten on the river almost always

I couldn't disagree more, we have Top 2, with the board pairing all other A's are feeling pretty confident, the flush is a backdoor one so mneh, I'd actually be suprised if he loses this. and if he does I think it's probably to KQ.

valor

the flush came in and he doesnt care, and why would any other ace raise here?

Ste05

Because it's a $20 STT??

What are you afraid of 1010, JJ and AA?

We could very well be beaten, but I'm certainly not folding

valor

he can easily have a 5, any of the sets, KQ or a flush

What do you think hes raising here that we beat? the only hands plausible are A10/K/Q and I highly doubt he raises them here, unless he is a known retard
I also think this is never a bluff, given the price he is laying

LuckyLloyd

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Ste05

valor wrote:

he can easily have a 5, any of the sets, KQ or a flush

What do you think hes raising here that we beat? the only hands plausible are A10/K/Q and I highly doubt he raises them here, unless he is a known retard
I also think this is never a bluff, given the price he is laying

Are you suggesting folding here? He can't lay any other price because he has no more chips really he's left himself with ~400 chips.

And I think he's raising with A10 (6 possible hands), AK (8 possible hands), AQ (8 possible hands), 1010 (3 possible hands) JJ (1 possible hand) AA (1 possible hand) here, and KQ (16 possible hands), hence why I said previously that I think KQ is the hand that I most likely think beats us.

So if you do the maths 22 hands we beat and 21 hands beat us.

If we include random 5's then we also have to include some random donk bluffs here too, and I think I'll just say they iron themselves out to be even.

Then we're left with the possibility of a back door flush. It's a possibility because there was no betting until the draw arrived and then hit, so I'll put the chances of us being beaten as higher than us winning, but it's still not even close to being "beaten on the river almost always" and is a definite call.

But anyway, as has already been said, it wouldn't matter because we should have pushed Pre-Flop, or the flop or turn.

ianmc38

Shove preflop. You've said "facing button steal". Calling here is awful.

valor

yes but he is always raising the hands that beat us, but not likely at all to be raising AK/Q and probably not 10 either.

A 5 is also much more likely to a bluff - he is pretty much never ever bluffing here

also, the flush is highly likely given the beting patterns

Ste05

So you fold?

dvdfan

I actually never noticed the flush on the river at the time or when posting the hand, probably because i was distracted by the J of hearts making my 2 pair:o

But anyway i pushed all in here over his raise. My arguments are irrelevant now for why i pushed because of the flush but in any case i think the push was silly only getting called by a better hand here and i should have just called as 2 pair isnt that strong on a paired flush board.

This hand knocked me from the big stack to shortstacked and i busted out a few hands later when the blinds increased. Well, lesson learned.

He had A5 here

valor

Ste05 wrote:

So you fold?

in theory its a fold, I would probably call at the table beacuse of the price and the stakes

Ste05

The theory of the hand has to include the price being laid and stakes of the game.

valor

the stakes and the price are the excuses I would use to call, but its still a fold

Ste05

LOL, OK, we'll call it a tie, I think theoretically a $20 STT players will raise AK, AQ and A10 here, just like they'll min-raise on the button pre-flop, check the flop, then bet 240 into a 1080 pot on the turn. They don't then automatically become a good player on the River and never Value bet an AK, AQ or A10 leaving themselves with 420 chips and realise they should really just call behind.

Absolutely he could have a flush, Full house, 5, but equally he could have AK, AQ and A10, that's my whole point. We have to call 910 to win 3670 or 4:1 are we ahead less than 24% of the time? I think we are ahead enough to call here.

But anyway, Push Pre-Flop and save these arguments.