Queens for my stack - 50/1

RasTa

Just lost a pot so I'm at $85 and this is one of those turbo tables so not much time to think

Dealt to RasTa [Q Q]

RasTa: Raise $4.00
gatormart: Raise $14.00
theladies: Fold
spollen44: Fold
RasTa: Call $10.00
*** FLOP *** [H4 HJ D3]
RasTa: Check
gatormart: Allin $90.01

Villain continuation bets a lot but hasn't showed a hand yet, only about 13 hands in. Comments on pre-flop mainly and my flop check. The plan was to check raise because of how he has being playing.

My main question is what to do with the Queens pre-flop against an unknown aggro.

phantom_lord

calling is fine, check is fine, don't c/r tho.

meh, it's fold,you beat ak.


there's no way you can judge a guy on 13 btw.

[nicK]

the fact is that villain is unknown..
your not sure that how aggro he is as you only have 13hands on him..
let him take this one down and wait for a better spot..

calling preflop is fine..

Macspower

The call preflop is fine. what do you think he's RR with? I think JJ,KK,AA or AK. He's representing AA or KK and you don't have enough of a read to disbelieve him. Fold and wait for a while IMO.

Mac

[nicK]

btw, i've called these down on the same network and i'm finding that more often than not it's a flushdraw.. it's rarely, if ever, a set..

Macspower

nick.... If you think he might have a FD what holding do you think he might have? It's still a fold for me. If I gamble on him having a FD and even if I'm right a small % of the time he still has a 30% chance of beating me.

Mac.

[nicK]

[nicK] wrote:

let him take this one down and wait for a better spot..

.

valor

well - regards your main question preflop is standard. I would only 4 bet here if I knew he would play a pot for a 4 bet with less or would try to 5 bet bluff me. 4 betting without history is bad

Postflop, humm. Folding isnt bad, but I think bets like this are so often bull**** that I think I call here

phantom_lord

[nicK] wrote:

btw, i've called these down on the same network and i'm finding that more often than not it's a flushdraw.. it's rarely, if ever, a set..

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	55.354%  	55.35% 	00.00% 	           548 	        0.00   { AhKh }
Hand 1: 	44.646%  	44.65% 	00.00% 	           442 	        0.00   { QcQd }

ianmc38

I never ever fold here. We have an overpair for gods sake. has everyone missed that? An OVERPAIR

El Stuntman

ianmc38 wrote:

I never ever fold here. We have an overpair for gods sake. has everyone missed that? An OVERPAIR

that's the nuts, isn't it?

LuckyLloyd

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RasTa

valor wrote:

Postflop, humm. Folding isnt bad, but I think bets like this are so often bull**** that I think I call here

Aye that's what I was thinking and if I had longer I might of folded but that clock came flying around and I panic called with 1 second left. Turned out he had 5 5 and I won.

This is the 2nd time I have faced a three bet with queens(other time he had 3 3 and put it all in on a 6,5,2 flop) and was just seeing if flat calling is standard.

Iago

pre-flop is ok, but I sometimes re-pop again depending on the player.

the flop is an easy call, we're ahead so often here I don't think I'd ever hit fold, and certainly never against a randomer.

valor

preflop is ridic standard, you need a specific reason to do anything else

Mr.Plough

can someone explain to me what you mean by 3betting, 4betting etc?

i used to think it was 3 or 4 big blinds but im obviously wrong.


basic question i suppose but its annoying me

Ste05

Action goes: Bet, Raise, Re-Raise (or 3-Bet), Re-Re-Raise (or 4 bet)

Pre-Flop = Blinds posted, Raise, re-raise (or 3-bet), re-re-raise (or 4-bet)

Captain Tom

this is a situation that bothers me.there seems to be a very thin line between calling a 3 bet with QQ for set value/calling for deception with intention of stacking off.

hypothetical situation.you raise in c/o with QQ.tag in sb reraises.

why do you call in this spot?

is it always ok to play for stacks with 100bb or less here without a strong read?

Sparky1808

I call here everytime, and would be very very surprised if your not in front.

shoutman

Insta call for me, he's overbetting the pot massively after you showed a lot of weakness by checking the flop, I would be very surprised if you were beaten.

valor

Captain Tom wrote:

this is a situation that bothers me.there seems to be a very thin line between calling a 3 bet with QQ for set value/calling for deception with intention of stacking off.

hypothetical situation.you raise in c/o with QQ.tag in sb reraises.

why do you call in this spot?

is it always ok to play for stacks with 100bb or less here without a strong read?

you call here because you probably have the best hand but if you 4 bet he will almost certainly fold everything you beat and only continue hands that beat you

Postflop, you have position so have a distinct advantage. The "standard" line here is to call cbet on almost every flop, except perhaps AKx and then evaluate the turn.
against aggressive tags on a raggy board its usually correct to call down, or even on drawy boards shove to represent a draw and get called by most pairs

just general guidelines though, post specific hands or theoretical specific hands if you want

Captain Tom

i understand the reasoning behing flat calling as opposed to 4 betting QQ.calling low flop/re-evaluating turn would be my usual line also.

generally what i find though is that in the situation i described before if villian is willing to play for stacks im usually behind.take this as an example.

you raise qq in the c/o to 7 in a $1/$2 game.game is pretty standard.reasonably aggressive and nobody that outta line.sb (standard tag) reraises to $23.you call.(100bb effective stacks)

flop:337.

sb bets $38.you call.

Turn:8.

sb bets $x.

my question is what % of the time do you fold in this spot?is it standard to go broke here without a read?i know this exact spot wont happen all that frequently but i feel when presented with it im too often just calling praying villian has JJ or double barrelled AK,and more often than not im shown AA/KK.