Who is responsible for unprotected sex?

limklad

Who is responsible for unprotected sex?

I'm starting this thread due to people thinking from the other thread that the young male is responsible and even comments about been neutered.
That the young male is responsible for getting many girl/s getting pregnant?
Please read that thread before voting and post you comments/concerns here.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52947262#post52947262
Who is truly responsible?
Man
Woman
Parents
School- education
Politicians
Social Welfare
Church
Society
others?
No one

Please state your reasons and experiences.
If you feel there needs to spread a % across the boards post it here.
This poll does not have to be about the young male, all males are included in your decision. All opinions are welcome. P.S. No violence talk, please the Mods will ban you.

Thanks,

Rb

No one

I voted for them all.

Fantastic Kaz

Parents

Both man and woman.

dr.bollocko

No one

George W. Bush?

CathyMoran

others?

I voted for the majority of those reasons listed on the poll. There is a collective responsibility but in the end of the day it falls down to the 2 people involved.

Cake Fiend

I blame Grand Theft Auto on the PS2.

CathyMoran

Parents

CathyMoran wrote:

I voted for the majority of those reasons listed on the poll. There is a collective responsibility but in the end of the day it falls down to the 2 people involved.

exactly, if all of the world tells you to do one thing, it's still up to you to make the final decision.

So the blame falls squarely on the individuals in each situation

No one

I blame you! Yes, you.

Agamemnon

Parents

I blame the Brits. They took our jobs!

Karl Hungus

No one

Your mother.

Wibbs

others?

Both the man and the woman. Then again from a purely practical standpoint, if I was a woman I wouldn't be relying on anyone else but myself as I'll be the one bearing most of the physical, mental, social and life consequences.

Mossy Monk

No one

i blame boneyarsebogman

biko

Politicians

agamemnon wrote:

I blame the Brits. They took our jobs!

Coming over here taking da jobs and da wimmin

Pherekydes

It's biko's fault.

faceman

Parents

What about "those foreigners"?

Killaqueen!!!

I agree that it is a collective responsibility but at the end of the day if you think you are mature enough to have sex (in most cases people aren't) you should be at an age that you are aware of the dangers of unprotected sex. At this stage the schools/parents/TV/friends should have educated them into the facts about unprotected sex.

Therefore, it is nobodys responsibilities but the 2 people involved

Mossy Monk

No one

Mossy Monk wrote:

i blame boneyarsebogman

:O

And I would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

Gazza22

It comes down to the two people who are having the unprotected sex. Nothing else.

While on the topic, those ads that are popping up all over colleges and medical centres lately with the HE SAY's....[something to the tone of "i don't need a condom"]...YOU SAY "You do!"....

These annoy me when i see them. It's not only us men that run around trying to convince helpless women into having unprotected sex. Bit sexist if you ask me. But correct me if i'm wrong, there may be other versions of the ad around with the male victim!

Nevyn

others?

Sexual health matter in this country have all ways been societal. political and religious.

We Still do not have comprehensive sexual health eduaction inthis country.

Condoms only became legal with out a perscription in 1991 adn then they are for those who were over the age of 18.

Here educate yourself on the history of contraceptives in Ireland and how long it took for them and leaflets for sex education to become legal.

http://www.ifpa.ie/about/hist2.html

http://www.ifpa.ie/about/hist.html

connundrum

I blame the VAT on condoms, makes em out of my reach anyways :rolleyes:

Oh and another thread along these veins from limklad and I will tear the head off a puppy dog.

Right off!

limklad

others?

Thaedydal wrote:

Sexual health matter in this country have all ways been societal. political and religious.

We Still do not have comprehensive sexual health eduaction inthis country.

Condoms only became legal with out a perscription in 1991 adn then they are for those who were over the age of 18.

Here educate yourself on the history of contraceptives in Ireland and how long it took for them and leaflets for sex education to become legal.

http://www.ifpa.ie/about/hist2.html

http://www.ifpa.ie/about/hist.html

This is true from our past, but not for the 2 last decades, more information is freely available and no longer censored. It still does not excuse others for not educating the teenagers, and for teenagers not to know. Sex is a curious subject for them.

Lust4Life

Hail2daChimp is responsible!




Nah, seriously, both parties involved ought to be having a serious discussion before jumping into things. Both are responsible.

Nevyn

others?

limklad wrote:

This is true from our past, but not for the 2 last decades, more information is freely available and no longer censored. It still does not excuse others for not educating the teenagers, and for teenagers not to know. Sex is a curious subject for them.

Over 90% o fpimary schools and over 60% of secondary schools are patronaged by the catholica church and on land owned by the church and it is against church law to permit teachings which are contray to chruch law; ie sex before marriage and the use of contraception.

Kingp35

Parents

Again stupid thread. The answer is both the people having sex. Why you need to ask that question is beyond me.

Yet again your poll does not even have that option!

Zonko

Cake Fiend wrote:

I blame Grand Theft Auto on the PS2.

Brilliant post.

limklad

others?

Kingp35 wrote:

Yet again your poll does not even have that option!

This one does, You were allowed to click as many options as you liked. Since you have already voted you cannot see that again until the poll closes (i think).

limklad

others?

Thaedydal wrote:

Over 90% o fpimary schools and over 60% of secondary schools are patronaged by the catholica church and on land owned by the church and it is against church law to permit teachings which are contray to chruch law; ie sex before marriage and the use of contraception.

Sex education was given in my school (and yes the church did have a say), but there was a big No No of contraception and sex before marriage in religion class. So we rebelled against the church and protected ourselves while satisfy our needs. There were some who did bareback and ran into babies problems. They still suffering the conquences today, both male and female.

HIV and AIDS was big news at that time been spread by unprotected sex. Word was spreading that the use of Condoms is the solution to stop the spreading of HIV. Today I know that there is many more STDs’ been around for some time.

While some people think this thread is stupid because it is obvious to them who is to blame. Yet, so many people escape responsibility and blame others.

WhiteWashMan

sorry, who is to blame, and why are you posting up all these stupid threads on my forum?

Gurgle

I blame God (the foreskin really should come with a zip-lock seal), Darwin, Whitewashman, Kylie Minogue, and boobs.

I like boobs

faceman

Parents

unprotected sex - is that when you leave the door open?

gucci

others?

its all down to laziness......that should be on the poll. That or croke park letting unprotected sex in back a few years ago, look how its all spiraled out of controll since!!!

Mrs_Doyle

Parents

CathyMoran wrote:

I voted for the majority of those reasons listed on the poll. There is a collective responsibility but in the end of the day it falls down to the 2 people involved.

Yep, I agree with you 100%
If I indulge in unprotected sex I am not going to blame society, or a lack of education, bad parenting, etc, I'm in my 20's and should no better, so it would be my fault, and my partners fault.

Degsy

I blame my libido.

cornbb

I blame Corey and Trevor :cool:

"Ya f*cked up Corey and Trevor!"

A Dub in Glasgo

Parents

Obvious answer is 'both'! Why people are confused on this matter is beyond me

connundrum

connundrum wrote:

I blame the VAT on condoms, makes em out of my reach anyways :rolleyes:

Oh and another thread along these veins from limklad and I will tear the head off a puppy dog.

Right off!

There's a chemist on Talbot st that give you a discount on condom's to the tune of what the VAT would be or just buy online
There was a thread a good while on condom's that listed a few Irish sites and they were cheap
They are expensive ****er's alright but necessary
Also with the rise in unplanned pregnancy, teenage mothers and STI's should there not be a move to strike VAT form condoms
It's bloody stupid! Also more free one's to be given out I have family in England with a cousin who's my age and she get's like 6 month's supply a few time's a year

Kinetic^

No one

rb_ie wrote:

I voted for them all.

Ditto!!!!!

limklad

others?

coolsmileygirl wrote:

They are expensive ****er's alright but necessary

If I compare the price to raise a child and then compare that to the price to a condom.
Somehow I think raising a child is cheaper :rolleyes:
and less painful on the pocket. Hey I sure there are people out there who prefer the feeling of bareback AND LOUD CRYING children, who will PESTER you for the rest of your life, because you did not want them in the first place. Remember it is always your choice not to wear a condom or wear some cheapy because the correct ones were too expensive for you. My point is think before you act and do not blame the child for your actions.
If you believe the condoms are toooooo expensive, then LOBBY the TD when they look for your VOTE. There is an election coming up this summer, and they want their JOBS back. If you do not have a VOTE because you are too young, just remind them that their jobs are up for renewal in five years or less. They will get the message.;)

For those of you who think I am anti-children. I am not against having children. I have changed a lot of puck smelly nappies , (not of my own children, babies brothers, babies cousins, babies neighbors, and friends children). I change my first nappy when I was twelve, I could not stand the smell going around for the day, so I change it. I have brilliant craic with them, and they love having me around as I talk to them as much as i do with their parents and they know I will listen to them about their problems and help them in finding a solution for it.
Still look for that brillant woman to enter my life, so far most of them are married.:mad:

limklad

others?

I forgot to mentioned about STDs. Catch one and you screw with your health. Some are easy to treat and others are not.
HIV and AIDS is for life, unless scientist are able to find a treatment to cure it.
There are various STDs that will sterile you too. ie no more babies. That is sad for those in the future who wants children of their own DNA.

There are so many more STDs that will screw you more than that one quicky.

WhiteWashMan

hold on, we are talking about unprotected sex her, and how is reponsible for it.

are you saying that if we lobby th government, we can hand back responsibility to those 2 people that are engaged in the activity?

i really dont see any of you points, or any reason for your threads to be honest.

you started this crap debate, now enter somthinguseful to it other than the price of condoms and the price of kids. neither are relevant factors in who is reponsible for unprotected sex, they are by products.

limklad

others?

WhiteWashMan wrote:

hold on, we are talking about unprotected sex her, and how is reponsible for it.

are you saying that if we lobby th government, we can hand back responsibility to those 2 people that are engaged in the activity?

i really dont see any of you points, or any reason for your threads to be honest.

you started this crap debate, now enter somthinguseful to it other than the price of condoms and the price of kids. neither are relevant factors in who is reponsible for unprotected sex, they are by products.

The idea was for me is to talk/debate about each problem/excuse that people come up with and find solutions to them, instead of blaming others and making excuses.
You know that in the end of the day, it is you self is responsible for your unprotected sex, but others do not agree with that. Instead putting the blames on others (ie their sexual partner, parents, school etc), when they get them selves into trouble. When you are finish with sex and your partner walks away (without a care in the world about you, which is a regular occurrences with one night stands) leaving you with a mess, to deal with.

There is a huge price (beyond money) for not taking on responsibility for your actions, which is resulting in unwanted pregnancies and unwanted STD's, which is the point of this thread. There is still a lot of educating to be done, as seen by comments here. I am disappointed with you that you do not see this, instead of sharing the blame, between both partners. People feel comfortable in sharing blame, but taking it on their own shoulders only, is hard for them. It takes a lot of growing up to take on responsibility.
And yes I did not specify an option “me myself, the one is having unprotected sex” I want to see if anyone suggested this. So far no one did, only mentioned “both partners” are responsible.

Fantastic Kaz

Parents

WhiteWashMan wrote:

hold on, we are talking about unprotected sex her, and how is reponsible for it.

are you saying that if we lobby th government, we can hand back responsibility to those 2 people that are engaged in the activity?

i really dont see any of you points, or any reason for your threads to be honest.

you started this crap debate, now enter somthinguseful to it other than the price of condoms and the price of kids. neither are relevant factors in who is reponsible for unprotected sex, they are by products.

AGREED!

WhiteWashMan

limklad wrote:

The idea was for me is to talk/debate about each problem/excuse that people come up with and find solutions to them, instead of blaming others and making excuses.
You know that in the end of the day, it is you self is responsible for your unprotected sex, but others do not agree with that. Instead putting the blames on others (ie their sexual partner, parents, school etc), when they get them selves into trouble. When you are finish with sex and your partner walks away (without a care in the world about you, which is a regular occurrences with one night stands) leaving you with a mess, to deal with.
.

you should have posted in humanities if you wanted a proper debate.

limklad wrote:

There is a huge price (beyond money) for not taking on responsibility for your actions, which is resulting in unwanted pregnancies and unwanted STD's, which is the point of this thread. There is still a lot of educating to be done, as seen by comments here. I am disappointed with you that you do not see this, instead of sharing the blame, between both partners. People feel comfortable in sharing blame, but taking it on their own shoulders only, is hard for them. It takes a lot of growing up to take on responsibility.
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ok, so youre still talking about consequences in both this paragrpah and the last.

limklad wrote:

And yes I did not specify an option “me myself, the one is having unprotected sex” I want to see if anyone suggested this. So far no one did, only mentioned “both partners” are responsible.

only if you are masturbating.
if there are two people invovled, then they are both reponsibly, if even only for themselves.

im also wary of people who put in 'trick' options so they can come up with some sort of bright response and then claim that no one else has thought of it.
if you want to have a iscussion on something, why would you bother 'hiding' a suggestion. bizarre.

Fighting Irish

No one

VAT

/thread

limklad

others?

WhiteWashMan wrote:

you should have posted in humanities if you wanted a proper debate.
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Did not pass the charter criteria, see quote from Humanities charter.

Now, Humanities was created for the purpose of having rational, thoughtful, calm debate about issues. It was created as an alternative to After Hours. A place for intellectual discourse.

This (unprotected sex) issue drives people get passionate, irrational about and the intellectual bits goes out the window when talking about or having sex. After all it is our animal drive that drives us to have sex. If they (other posters) break these criteria’s set in the Humanities charter, they then run the risks and let themselves open to get banned. I do not want them banned from expressing their views.

This is the only forum I found which allows the irrational people to have a say too. I know it is pushing the line, but I wanted everybody to express their views about this difficult subject.

Also Sex & Sexuality forum is not available.
The http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=567

WhiteWashMan wrote:

if there are two people invovled, then they are both reponsibly, if even only for themselves.
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It can only take One to say we need to be protected or else to say NO, especially when you find yourself with an irresponsible partner. Why risk yourself?

WhiteWashMan wrote:

im also wary of people who put in 'trick' options so they can come up with some sort of bright response and then claim that no one else has thought of it.
if you want to have a iscussion on something, why would you bother 'hiding' a suggestion. bizarre.

It was not a trick on my part. I wanted to see what people say about it and give their own suggestions and opinions. It was a way to see if others people actually though about other options, without prompting them. By prompting them with certain missing suggestions can infulence, dirvert or cloud their into a certain thoughts, which narrows their thinking. Some have surprise me.

Also you need to talk about consequences so people can take on the responsibility for themselves

WhiteWashMan

limklad wrote:

Did not pass the charter criteria, see quote from Humanities charter.

This (unprotected sex) issue drives people get passionate, irrational about and the intellectual bits goes out the window when talking about or having sex. After all it is our animal drive that drives us to have sex. If they (other posters) break these criteria’s set in the Humanities charter, they then run the risks and let themselves open to get banned. I do not want them banned from expressing their views. es

its not your problem if people get banned.

limklad wrote:

It can only take One to say we need to be protected or else to say NO, especially when you find yourself with an irresponsible partner. Why risk yourself?

which is why it is the responsibility of both people. im sure ive mentioned this before?

limklad wrote:

It was not a trick on my part. I wanted to see what people say about it and give their own suggestions and opinions. It was a way to see if others people actually though about other options, without prompting them. By prompting them with certain missing suggestions can infulence, dirvert or cloud their into a certain thoughts, which narrows their thinking. Some have surprise me.

the only surprise here, is that you have about 3 serious ansers in over 40 reponses. i was sure it would be less.

limklad wrote:

Also you need to talk about consequences so people can take on the responsibility for themselves

but you asked about the reposponsibility of of unprotected sex.
you did not ask about the consequences. its an entirely different question.

out of interest, what age are you? and what nationality?

PHB

others?

yourself, and only yourself.

That said, who effects your views might be responsible, so, the rest of society too. Once you get to a level of understand which most people have, only you are responsible. If you didn't get to that level, then society is responsible.

WhiteWashMan

PHB wrote:

yourself, and only yourself.

That said, who effects your views might be responsible, so, the rest of society too. Once you get to a level of understand which most people have, only you are responsible. If you didn't get to that level, then society is responsible.

????

**** of back to the footie forum you!

InFront

Woman

Just out of interest, did exactly the same number of people really vote for men as for women? (78 atm) Or is that just the way the poll was made (I don't know?)

optiplexgx270

Parents

Up to the woman what goes in there.

Thrill

InFront wrote:

Just out of interest, did exactly the same number of people really vote for men as for women? (78 atm) Or is that just the way the poll was made (I don't know?)

Nearly everyone who voted for man voted for woman as well. Hardly anyone just voted for one or the other.