There is no such thing as a new idea

Just The One

As the title says - there is no such thing as an original idea - think of something new and it has been done before.

xebec

Has this thread been done before?

PeakOutput

Just The One wrote:

As the title says - there is no such thing as an original idea - think of something new and it has been done before.

i have an original idea and it is going to make me millions i just need to earn money so i can spend money to earn..well more money

i know this has not been done before

cornbb

Just The One wrote:

As the title says - there is no such thing as an original idea - think of something new and it has been done before.

Whats your basis for thinking this? You obviously haven't been thinking hard enough. People come up with new things every day.

Lothaar

If that was true, wouldn't patent offices be redundant?

And what about technology? How would it progress without original ideas?

Just The One

cornbb wrote:

Whats your basis for thinking this? You obviously haven't been thinking hard enough. People come up with new things every day.

i think that people just reinvent old ideas or modernise ideas instead of creating original ideas

gucci

applying thoughts and ideas to actually working "things" is the tricky part and the one that requires the most "ideas" to work successfully. coming from a product design background i know the pain!

cornbb

Just The One wrote:

i think that people just reinvent old ideas or modernise ideas instead of creating original ideas

Well all ideas must have a basis. Nothing can be entirely plucked out of thin air. Just because an idea has a grounding in something that already existed doesn't make it unoriginal. Isaac Newton said "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulder of giants" but that doesn't mean his ideas weren't original.

sioda

I have a new idea but sure i can't go round blabbing it then everyone will know

Feral Mutant

"Everything that can be invented has been invented." -Charles H. Duell, commissioner of the United States Patent and Trademark Office in 1899. Except he didn't really say that but if he did he'd be wrong, like the OP. I for example have many completely original, ingenius inventions . . . I'm not going to tell you what they are though.

Kettle shoes- for those who like tea on the go!

Gaspode

Just The One wrote:

i think that people just reinvent old ideas or modernise ideas instead of creating original ideas

But they had the new idea of modernising something, or finding a new use for it, or a better way to do it and this is their original idea.

I think I know where you're coming from though - just about every new invention is really just a further developemt of some thing else - very little is truly new or novel. DVDs and ipods are just logical developments from the original radio or phonographs, which in themselves were just ways of recreating music hall or other forms of entertainment. Cars, planes, speceships are all further developements from the horse and cart. It's the thought that goes into developing something from one stage to another is the 'new' idea.

Kinetic^

Just The One wrote:

As the title says - there is no such thing as an original idea - think of something new and it has been done before.

There's no such thing as the Easter Bunny either but you can bet your left nut that all the shops are going to cash in on it!!!

petes

Deleted User wrote:

Kettle shoes- for those who like tea on the go!

I thought a flask would have been enough.

faceman

The Minternet. When you log onto Boards, its spearmint flavour. Genius!

AdMMM

If we invent new laws of physics then we'd finally have a new idea

biko

Of course there are new ideas.
How do you think people came up with things in the first place?

Or do you mean "no new ideas anymore"? Kinda like "Everything that can be invented has been invented." If so you're probably wrong again.

zuutroy

This thread just reminded me I missed Dragon's Den...balls.

Kernel

Cock flavoured ice cream, that hasn't been done before.

Or a chocolate wristwatch.

Or clear plastic curtains.

Bah, there's loads of original ideas out there.

zuutroy

Kernel wrote:

Cock flavoured ice cream, that hasn't been done before.

Or a chocolate wristwatch.

Or clear plastic curtains.

Bah, there's loads of original ideas out there.

pssst....I think he meant non-**** ones

faceman

Actually this thread is a new idea. Is that a paradox?

Kernel

zuutroy wrote:

pssst....I think he meant non-**** ones

He didn't specify!

The_B_Man

Kernel wrote:

Cock flavoured ice cream, that hasn't been done before.

cock Flavoured Ice Cream

WindSock

Kernel wrote:

Or clear plastic curtains.

Shower curtains?

Dinner plates with pictures of meat processing plants
124 slice toaster
2 wheeled car

Blush_01

The_B_Man wrote:

cock Flavoured Ice Cream

'scuse me, the flavour and the shape are not the same thing.

connundrum

zuutroy wrote:

This thread just reminded me I missed Dragon's Den...balls.

Dunno if it was a re-run but last night's show saw two guys present an invention which will basically cut the power used by household items when on stand-by by 100%.

All 5 Dragons put 20k in and bought 50% of the business. Great idea, and its one that I would have bought into.

But on topic,

Everything is new, a lot of stuff may be a variation on an existing product/idea, but that fact that it was varied makes it new.

WindSock

new AND improved!

Can there be such a thing?

brianthebard

Scruton says that in order for something to be original we must know what has influenced its creation. Or something like that, I don't have the book to hand. (Modern Culture btw if anyone's interested)

PeakOutput

connundrum wrote:

Dunno if it was a re-run but last night's show saw two guys present an invention which will basically cut the power used by household items when on stand-by by 100%.

All 5 Dragons put 20k in and bought 50% of the business. Great idea, and its one that I would have bought into.

But on topic,

Everything is new, a lot of stuff may be a variation on an existing product/idea, but that fact that it was varied makes it new.

i have an idea that will reduce household electricity bill to 0 and 2 engineers have told me it would work in theory but im broke so cant do anything about it so cum on invest in me

this is seperate to the idea i was talking about earlier

zuutroy

PeakOutput wrote:

i have an idea that will reduce household electricity bill to 0 and 2 engineers have told me it would work in theory but im broke so cant do anything about it so cum on invest in me

this is seperate to the idea i was talking about earlier

Hmmm....you don't work for Steorn by any chance do you?

PeakOutput

zuutroy wrote:

Hmmm....you don't work for Steorn by any chance do you?

i have no idea wat steorn is so i doubt it

petes

PeakOutput wrote:

i have an idea that will reduce household electricity bill to 0 and 2 engineers have told me it would work in theory but im broke so cant do anything about it so cum on invest in me

this is seperate to the idea i was talking about earlier

Steal it from your neighbour?

CodeMonkey

Kernel wrote:

Cock flavoured ice cream, that hasn't been done before.

I am afraid to google this at work but i doubt it's not been done before...

Or a chocolate wristwatch.

like this? http://www.cinderellaspumpkin.com/cgi-bin/spgm?dpt=H&srch=21&item=1105b

Or clear plastic curtains.

They use that on boats and garden pavilions. Search for clear plastic at
http://www.spiritelements.com/ProductDetail.aspx?c=1122&p=1288

Bah, there's loads of original ideas out there.

errrm...no...or maybe you just couldn't think of any

ROCKMAN

Original idea ie (thought)

Novels

BlitzKrieg

Just The One wrote:

As the title says - there is no such thing as an original idea - think of something new and it has been done before.

true


but there are unique perspectives.


The boy who cried wolf is only one story, but it can be told in many different forms.

astrofool

connundrum wrote:

Dunno if it was a re-run but last night's show saw two guys present an invention which will basically cut the power used by household items when on stand-by by 100%.

All 5 Dragons put 20k in and bought 50% of the business. Great idea, and its one that I would have bought into.

But on topic,

Everything is new, a lot of stuff may be a variation on an existing product/idea, but that fact that it was varied makes it new.

Problem is that it will only be economical for devices which use alot of standby power. There is a drive to reduce all devices to < 1w on standby in which case a device like this is little use.

Sam Vimes

connundrum wrote:

Dunno if it was a re-run but last night's show saw two guys present an invention which will basically cut the power used by household items when on stand-by by 100%.

i assume you mean 90% or some such number. if you cut power by 100%, there's 0% left to power them

PeakOutput wrote:

i have an idea that will reduce household electricity bill to 0 and 2 engineers have told me it would work in theory but im broke so cant do anything about it so cum on invest in me

this is seperate to the idea i was talking about earlier

may i ask, does it involve switching everything off?

or maybe your electricity bill and a pen to sribble out all the numbers except the zeros?

astrofool

It used a small battery that would detect the tv on signal, and so power up the tv and any devices attached to the same plug. It could be integrated into the tv directly if need be (by the tv manufacturer).

Steve01

How about, Ghost Mutt :rolleyes:

L31mr0d

hmm.. what about:

gamma-ray flux enhancer magneto-robot?

I actually agree with the OP, there really hasn't been any new inventions in a long while, just old inventions reworked... even all the ideas people are coming out with are just amalgamations of inventions already thought of. A truly NEW invention, would have to make use of some element, physical property, human trait...etc that has never been concieved of before. In a sense it would have to be something so new that the word itself used to describe it would have to be a completely new word in itself as the invention would not of been formed out of any other invention already conceived.

PeakOutput

Commander Vimes wrote:

may i ask, does it involve switching everything off?

nope and even if you turn things off a plugged in item will still drain 2watts(i think thats the figure) of electricity

or maybe your electricity bill and a pen to sribble out all the numbers except the zeros?

nope but its not very complicated

Sam Vimes

PeakOutput wrote:

nope and even if you turn things off a plugged in item will still drain 2watts(i think thats the figure) of electricity

only if they're on standby.

PeakOutput wrote:

nope but its not very complicated

i'd really love to hear how you plan to get free electricity. the world would probably like to know too. does it stop pollution and does it require less energy at the source

astrofool wrote:

It used a small battery that would detect the tv on signal, and so power up the tv and any devices attached to the same plug. It could be integrated into the tv directly if need be (by the tv manufacturer).

sorry to spoil it but they already have remote control plug sockets for the terminally lazy. not exactly the same because it works for the whole socket instead of one device but pretty much the same idea

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=99745&criteria=remote%20plug&doy=24m3

Lisapeep

People doing PhDs in universities are working on new ideas. Sure, they may be using old techniques in the lab that have been used a million times, but the ideas are very definitely new.

PeakOutput

Commander Vimes wrote:

i'd really love to hear how you plan to get free electricity. the world would probably like to know too. does it stop pollution and does it require less energy at the source

there is no pollution from the creation of the electricity as far as i can see

limklad

Just The One wrote:

As the title says - there is no such thing as an original idea - think of something new and it has been done before.

You left your self open with this title. Because you did not specify the time frame.

If there is no such thing as an original idea then many things around you, mobile phone, tv, radio, computers , bread , chocolate, etc should I go on are all original from someone or another.

There are original ideas coming up all the time with new inventions. Yes there are others modifying other people ideas, and some made huge improvements with their own original idea from something else. Yes there are ideas that came about by observing things or by others actions or words. Some helped to spark that original idea.


You said think of something new and it has been done before. It call trial and error, most scientist/engineers and ordinary joe/betty soaps go through this.

WhiteWashMan

i bet no one has thought od shrinking themselves to the size of 1 trillionth of a nuclear particle and the liking on a nuclear particle and being the king of the 'nation of the nuclear particle'

i think id love to be the king of a proton. im really positive about that.

astrofool

Commander Vimes wrote:

sorry to spoil it but they already have remote control plug sockets for the terminally lazy. not exactly the same because it works for the whole socket instead of one device but pretty much the same idea

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=99745&criteria=remote%20plug&doy=24m3

That's pretty much it (their device was a 4 gang), except that the device would tune itself to the tv remote and so when you turn the TV on, the device would also get turned on (even less buttons for the terminally lazy).

The big point, is that there's no reason it could not be incorporated INTO the TV and thus drop the standby power to zero.

As I also said before, there's an EU directive that all devices have to use under 1 watt on standby in the future (so technologies like this could be used to get there). It also varies by device, the TV they demonstrated with used 25W on standby alone, other TV's use alot less, so it really depends. They also have a patent pending on this particular application.

runswithascript

The OP's notion is incredible and is easily demonstrated - did anyone ever fly two planes into the WTC before 9/11?