Playing draws badly

dvdfan

Sorry FT Hand converter wasnt working so i tidied it up a bit:

Full Tilt Poker Game #2007159470: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (15038539), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 9:54:43 ET - 2007/03/17

Seat 1: thewhiteswan (1,295)
Seat 2: worm1799 (1,920)
Seat 3: steeler75 (1,535)
Seat 4: hawkeyegirl2 (3,140)
Seat 5: industrex (1,875)
Seat 6: kusty (1,225)
Seat 7: ricrr (940)
Seat 8: Himsiin (1,570)
steeler75 posts the small blind of 20
hawkeyegirl2 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #2

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to thewhiteswan [4d 7d]
industrex folds
kusty folds
ricrr calls 40
Himsiin folds
thewhiteswan has 15 seconds left to act
thewhiteswan calls 40
worm1799 folds
steeler75 folds
hawkeyegirl2 checks


*** FLOP *** [8d 2d 3c] Pot 140
hawkeyegirl2 checks
ricrr bets 40
thewhiteswan calls 40
hawkeyegirl2 folds

*** TURN *** [8d 2d 3c] [4h] Pot 220
ricrr bets 40
thewhiteswan raises to 200
ricrr raises to 360
thewhiteswan calls 160

*** RIVER *** [8d 2d 3c 4h] [Qc]
ricrr bets 500, and is all in
thewhiteswan folds
Uncalled bet of 500 returned to ricrr
ricrr mucks
ricrr wins the pot (940)

My weakness is definetely how i play draws when multitabling, i dont have time to start calculating implied odds sometimes so i just make a quick decision. Just wanted some opinions although it will probably go something like fold preflop, fold flop and fold turn.

What kind of suited cards should i play in late position here only suited connecters, one gap suited connectors, should i always be dropping hands like this preflop in late position or is it ok to have a look. Whats the lowest suited cards i should be playing 65s maybe, what about the likes of T6s, K8s should i dump them too?

I want a bit of abuse here because im not happy with how i play draws in stt's. Should i basically just fold most draws unless i have the likes of flush and straight draw or flush with 2 overcards drawing to the nuts as its unlikely ill get proper odds in an unraised pot no matter how small the bet is and unless a raised pot is well underbet i wont have the odds to call here either. I keep telling myself when im not getting the proper odds like in the example above that i probably have the implied odds but i dont think this is true most of the time. If i was to tighten up and only play open straight flush draws, nut flush with 1 or 2 overcards or when someone massively underbets a raised pot and fold everything else or would i leak money or would it be +ev compared to the way im playing them now.

Captain Tom

i dont mind limping in pf this deep but its fairly marginal.im sure opinion would be divided on this.

flop is fine.youre getting very favourable odds with a draw that will be live a good % of the time.

raising turn is bad here imo.youre getting good odds again with a decent hand that now may have some showdown value considering villians weak line.

as played i call again here.you now have to call 160 to win 780 and considering villians line almost definately the remaining 500 in his stack.his line also indicates a made hand so i very much expect your flush draw to be live.

raising turn here was the major mistake.this is certainly not a hand you want to play a big pot with.

dvdfan

So has anyone got any good links on how to play draws, i misread below and hes actually giving me the odds i need on the flop and turn but if just call im only getting 80 chips out of him on flop and turn and the pot is only 260 or so, re-raising does 2 things here for me, one i can take down the pot right now with probably the worst hand and two i build a more attractive pot and disguise my hand somewhat if i hit the flush on the river. I suppose you could always look at it like im building a big pot with the worst hand too.

It seems a bit of a trade off with flush draws, your only getting the odds to call if the bets are small and not much chance of building a nice big pot, and then when you hit the flush if you start coming over the top with big raises you telegraph your hand and theyre going to drop it. I just feel that too often (not in this case) i use implied odds as an excuse to call a bet when im not getting the odds to call when im not sure how much more of his stack i can get in the pot if i do hit the flush as its going to look slightly obvious.

Also when i have a flush draw and im first to act and say the pot is 300 then do i still need to worry about odds or because im betting first and have a chance of winning the hand by betting unlike when im just calling does this change things or should i be looking to bet 1/4 pot here 70 chips to give me the correct odds. Just feels like betting 70 into a 300 pot will either invite a RR and/or telegraph my hand. I usuall bet 1/2 pot in these scenarios but thats pricing myself out isnt it or should i just check?

If you know of any books that give good advice on playing draws let me know as ive quite alot of the well know poker books in pdf so i can look it up...cheers

Shortstack

The correct play here is to fold preflop. In STT's you should be playing very tight in the early stages. I would even fold this in the sb.

connie147

I'm with Mike on this. In stt's, early play should be pretty tight and your starting hand here should be mucked unless your in the bb in an unraised pot.
Its probably not the advice your looking for but for consistancy in stt's, its the only way.

Captain Tom

i never really play sit n go's and im no expert on sng strategy so can someone please calrify why limping in here is so bad?

as far as i know the idea of playing tight at the start of sng's is that when the blinds go up,you have maintained a big enough stack that when you push you still have fold equity.if this is the case then is calling off around 3% of your stack p/f to try and catch a nice flop really THAT bad?or is there some other motive behind playing tight?what if he had 67s or 78s?

dvdfan i undertand what youre saying about disguising your hand but in this case i think its right to just call.ill generally play draws fairly aggressively if i feel i have fold equity vs the opponant.here im not quire sure what youre representing and i think you can get looked up light.if the circumstances are right and you can represent a big hand i think its ok the reraise in such spots but i wont reraise with the idea that if i do happen to hit i can win a big pot.

i think this may help:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=ssplnlpoker&Number=7443252&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#Post7443252

valor

your turn raise is bad, just take the great odds he is giving you