$10 FT stt 99 on 6 high board

dvdfan

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t30/t60
7 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3585
UTG+1: t1120
dvdfan: t1450
CO: t1135
Button: t1240
SB: t2155
BB: t2815

Pre-flop: (7 players) dvdfan is MP1 with 9h 9d
2 folds, dvdfan calls t60 (pot was t90), 2 folds, SB calls t30 (pot was t150), BB checks.

Flop: 2c 5s 6s (t180, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, dvdfan bets t180, SB calls t180 (pot was t360), BB folds.

Turn: 6h (t540, 2 players)
SB checks, dvdfan bets t400, SB raises to t800, dvdfan calls t400 (pot was t1740).

River: 4d (t2140, 2 players)
SB bets t410, dvdfan calls all-in t410.

Comments Please, i know i could have raised here but i like to limp with 99-22 when the blinds are small so i can have a multiway pot if i do hit trips. If the blinds were a bit more lucrative i would have raised.

cooker3

I would still raise, blinds maybe smallish but it's still a 6% increase to your stack, it is not to be scoffed at. As played, I am not sure whether to fold or just push the turn, depends on the player really but knowing me in the heat of the action I would go all in and wait for him to turn over his straight then berate myself.

CoD

raise preflop
as played bet more on flop, 2/3s pot+ or so not half

Since the blinds are in cheap they could anything here, 2 pair, trips on turn, straight

I prob dont make the turn bet, but as played fold to the miniraise

Raise preflop and ure not in that situation

dvdfan

CoD wrote:

raise preflop
as played bet more on flop, 2/3s pot+ or so not half

Since the blinds are in cheap they could anything here, 2 pair, trips on turn, straight

I prob dont make the turn bet, but as played fold to the miniraise

Raise preflop and ure not in that situation

I did bet the pot on the flop and bet 3/4 pot on turn?

This is a copied and pasted response from another thread about playing pocket pairs. Whats your opinions on this:

dvdfan wrote:

Youll hit your set 1 in 7.5 times but well round it to 7 for easy maths, if you raise 4x blinds like you did and see 8 flops your going to have 7 times where youll lose the 4x blinds thats 28 blinds. Now on the 8th flop you hit your set and theres approx 10 bb in the pot preflop (your 4 the callers 4 and the blinds). Youve still to make 18 big blinds before you break even. For a 3x raise youll lose 21 bb for the 1st 7 missed flop and therell be approx 8 bb in the pot leaving you 13 bb needed to break even in that scenario.

In a limped pot say you have on average 4 limpers - thats 1x blinds for the first 7 flops you see that you miss on (remember youll only hit your set 1 in 8) so on the 8th flop you hit your set theres already 4x blinds in the pot from the 4 limpers and now you only need to win 4 big blinds to breakeven and also your chances of taking at least one full stack makes limping best here. So you dont need to raise with PP when your stack is average, because limping has a more profitable outcome. And as i said the only time i like calling raises or raising with Pocket Pairs is when your in late position because your advantage being in position should make up for the extra blinds you need to win.

There is other scenarios that i didnt include like that you might hit a 762 flop with 99 and still take down the pot or you might hit your set and not get any callers but you can still see from the examples why its far better to limp with pairs IMO.

Basically limping with PP allows me to play them profitably as i dont have to make much when i do hit to make a profit over the long run but my chances are high that i will get all in with one stack or at least win a big pot. When i hit my set i dont care what 2 cards they called with like i might if i had AK and hit 1 pair as im willing to get all in.

The situation that came up was different in that i had an overcard and because i limped they could have any 2 cards so i had to be worried, they could have had an overpair themselves, a straight, 2 pair, anything so in this scenario i think if playing a pair limping like this and i do flop a overpair again i should be willing to drop it if i get alot of heat on a board like that with no reads.

Interested to hear what you think of limping with pairs though

CoD

sorry i miss read ure flop bet

yeh its fine, but fold to the mini raise or be wary of the turn anyway

Limping with PPs is fine, if you want to play it tight , but in this situation its got you in a lil trouble.

I generally raise alot of mid PPs preflop, as it creates a bigger pot for when you do hit, and even when you miss it can still be nice to take down. But i generally raise alot anyway with alot of cards
sorry if im not making much sense, kinda hungover

sikes

do people stack off in multiway limped pots?

Raising is better, raise 3X the BB and build a pot. When you hit a set, becuase the pot is so big, others players will be making bigger mistakes.

dvdfan

sikes wrote:

do people stack off in multiway limped pots?

My point is if im often limping with a set, then i dont need to be winning big pots to break even like i would if im always raising although ultimately i want to build a big pot. However in a multiway pot im more likely to have a villain hit a pair or better and win the same size stack for less of a risk.

In cash games when you have 100+bb then raising is probably best but in stt's if im raising alot with pairs i have to protect my stack. 3 unsucessful raises in an stt could leave me in trouble wheras this wouldnt hurt me in cash games or if i limped.

cooker3

Yeah but the shorter stacks are making bigger mistakes by calling with their marginal hands, you only allowing yourself to win by hitting sets
Think of quick example, opponant has A9, you raise he calls, flop is KQ2. The chances are you bet and he folds, if you limped, you would fold to any bet most likely.
Your giving yourself 2 chances to win

sikes

dvdfan wrote:

My point is if im often limping with a set, then i dont need to be winning big pots to break even

but you have to win big pots to win stts. you have to win every chip.

valor

raise preflop, check the turn and fold to the min raise if you do bet