Yay for me

Dantes

Sorry for the spam but I just showed a profit of $12.50 after 15,549 hands at 10c/25c!!

Just like to say a thanks to the regulars on here, your contributions have really helped me out...

I finally feel I am beating the game at this level, and feel confident about taking shots at the next level as the bankroll is starting to allow. What a grind it was,

I was loosing big time for about 10k hands but finally started getting a consistent winning game together, if the cards are good I will make money, if they are bad, I will hold steady or loose v. little, I think this is key.

Cheers to you all I say.

DubTony

Good man. Well done. Now don't go getting complacent.

Hitman Actual

30K hands is the benchmark for moving up. Don't over-extend yourself.

Marq

If you could find a way to 87-table or 300 hours a week you could quit your job.

phantom_lord

I was expecting your "move up levels" mantra to be good advice for once. but u didn't say it. :rolleyes:

Dantes

cheers phantom, your micro limit advice was very good!

any advice on the 25/50 level, anyone notice anything particularly different or is it just richer loose donks?

I just played a hand there, had Kings, raised pf, re-raised the raggy J high flop to 45 got called, 9 on the turn, dude goes all-in, I call, dude has 99?? wtf? anyway BB thread I know...

Marq, I think I could handle 87 tabling, if I had like 9 24 inch monitors surrounding me a la swordfish...

ianmc38

Dantes wrote:

Sorry for the spam but I just showed a profit of $12.50 after 15,549 hands at 10c/25c!!

Just like to say a thanks to the regulars on here, your contributions have really helped me out...

I finally feel I am beating the game at this level, and feel confident about taking shots at the next level as the bankroll is starting to allow. What a grind it was,

I was loosing big time for about 10k hands but finally started getting a consistent winning game together, if the cards are good I will make money, if they are bad, I will hold steady or loose v. little, I think this is key.

Cheers to you all I say.

Congratulations on finally making it into the green. Keep doing what you're doing and try to post more hands so that people can help you with your game. Do the same with your pokertracker stats.

Try to play another 10k hands at the level you're at and see what you're bb/100 is over that dataset.

Anyways, wp and best of luck at the tables.

BigDragon

Marq wrote:

If you could find a way to 87-table or 300 hours a week you could quit your job.

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But my fave is this.....

shoutman

I LOVE Indiana Jones and the temple of doom!!,

nice set up alright, I wonder how much all that set him back.

Marq

Dantes, on a serious note, don't move up levels.

Captain Tom

Marq wrote:

Dantes, on a serious note, don't move up levels.

OP said he was " losing big time" then recovered these losses and finally made a profit.sounds like he's ready to move up IMO.plus the jump in standard from .15/.25 to .25/.50 isnt that big.

GL Dantes.

Imposter

Captain Tom wrote:

OP said he was " losing big time" then recovered these losses and finally made a profit.sounds like he's ready to move up IMO.plus the jump in standard from .15/.25 to .25/.50 isnt that big.

GL Dantes.

Do we know how big his bankroll is? If he's only made 12.50 I can't imagine it's big enough for .25/.50.

Dantes as Marq and others have said, you're going in the right direction but get another 10k or so hands in at .1/.25 to see how much you can beat that game for.

Dantes

Marq, thanks for the words of caution, and don't worry, I lost money for my first few months of online play because i was waaay under-rolled. I have clawed pretty much all of that loss back now, thats why it has taken this long to show a profit, I have also learned my bankroll lesson, hopefully for life!

I am operating on a 20x buy-in rule for each level and moving up when I feel good about it and have maybe 2 buy-ins for the next level. My bankroll is just over 500 dollars at the moment = 20 buy-ins for 10/25. So I think it is ok to take shots at 25/50 when I feel it is ok. Obviously should I lose at that level, I will drop immediately back to 10/25.

I posted this message just because I'm showing green at this level in poker tracker, not because I'm moving up instantly, but I think I will be taking shots...

IanMc, I was actually just going to post my stats, so here are the important ones:

(These will be skewed slightly, since they are over 6 months and I have altered my game dramatically in the last 2 months -> TP with a crazy streak -> TAG on the advice on here, and reading lots of books and posts...)

Hands: 15549
VPIP: 22.81
PFR: 13.54 (This is badly skewed usually 16-20 recently)

VPIPSB: 25.72 (Too high?)

Folded SB to Steal: 85.27 (Too high?)
Folded BB to Steal: 79.45 (Too high?)
Att to steal Blinds: 24.49

WON WSF: 41.67
Went to SD: 22.15 (too low?)
Won @ SD: 48.39

FLOP AF: 4.19
TURN AF: 1.89
RIVER AF: 2.17
TAF: 3

Total Rake: 386.30

Any advice greatly appreciated, I will start posting more hands, but honestly can say I haven't been too puzzled by any recently, I play a straightforward TAGish ABC game.

Thanks again dudes!

brianmc

Dantes wrote:

Total Rake: 386.30

I like this thread. Well done.

Anyway, if you don't already have rakeback - get it. Even at the $0.10 - $0.25 level.

You could have another $150 of profit.

ianmc38

Hi Dantes,

Your PT stats look good. VPIP/PFR/Agrression on each street are standard for a TAG. Folded SB and BB to steal are fine and Went to showdown stat is fine.

Do you know how to take screenshots? If so, post the position stats page from PT.

Dantes

will post positional stats this evening when I get home...

peeko

good going dantes! get rakeback for sure if you don't have it all ready. where are you playing by the way?

LuckyLloyd

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Dantes

Thanks peeko, playing Fulltilt at the moment but really considering party, I've heard its a little less rocky... any recommendations?

peeko

Heard FT was a bit full of american players allright, but am playing there myself at the moment. Party looks like it's back on the increase in terms of loose players, and then iPoker should be a good fishing ground once the software improves some.

Everest is another big site we don't hear much of.

But I'd say at .1/.25 your good on FT, anwwhere where there are a lot of players really. Keep it up in all in anyways, see you up at .50/1 soon

Marq

LuckyLloyd wrote:

lol. Exam stress kicking in Marq?

I'm in the middle of writing my dissertation. the exams will be a cakewalk after this.

luckylucky

Dantes wrote:

VPIPSB: 25.72 (Too high?)

Miles too low

cooker3

If you only have $500 in the your bankroll then you just have the bankroll for .10/.25 so I really wouldn't advise moving up to .25/.50 for a while, nothing wrong with doing a few more thousand hands at this level, if it gets higher then give it a shot and see how you do.

The other advice I would have, is maybe bet the turn more a little more. If I seen your stats it strikes me as your the sort of person who raises pf, makes a continuation bet on the flop and gives up on the turn, you may get people picking up on it and exploiting you on the turn. But overall looks good.

ianmc38

luckylucky wrote:

Miles too low

Eh? Not necesarily. SB is where most players leak money in online play by completing any 2 cards.

Dantes

Thanks cooker, I will slow down on the turn if the board gets dangerous, or I still haven't made anything worth betting, maybe I should bluff a little more in this spot is that what you mean? My CBing is high enough 85% I'd say at least, basically I will CB any flop thats not very scary...

luckylucky, whats your VPIPSB? what should I be aiming for, I just close down totally in the SB.

cooker3

Dantes wrote:

Thanks cooker, I will slow down on the turn if the board gets dangerous, or I still haven't made anything worth betting, maybe I should bluff a little more in this spot is that what you mean? My CBing is high enough 85% I'd say at least, basically I will CB any flop thats not very scary...

Yeah bet the turn a bit more, nothing major but an increase will make you less exploitable on the turn imo. Do it against the tight aggressive guys. Your a tight aggresive guy, you have same mindset as these players, think of how you react in same situations and what would make you uncomfortable and do the same to them.

People are going to say don't bluff at micro limits but if you play FT which Dantes does, you will find even at these levels there are a lot of rocks and TA players who are not too bad so against these it's not a bad thing to occasionally make a further continuation bet on the turn.

luckylucky

ianmc38 wrote:

Eh? Not necesarily. SB is where most players leak money in online play by completing any 2 cards.

Eh? Ditto
I agree that a lot of players leak money from the sb and you shouldn't just complete with any 2 cards but on the flip side you are in for half a bet and that counts for something too.

Also this is the lowest vpipsb I can ever remember seen posted here, it's almost as low as his vpip for godsake, as mentioned he's already in for half a bet, as long as he's not playing in games where you got maniacs raising time and time again you can't just give up this half a bet automatically.

Now far by it from me to argue with the boards champion, but you really think 25.72% is too high a vpipsb? I guess you must do I suppose given your reply but I'm genuinely surprised and I normally find myself agreeing with your point of view. Not this time though. My vpipsb at all levels including some limit poker from last year was 50%, (44% so far this year, but haven't been playing much and a lot of that is limit poker) I'm not saying that's the ideal amount but I'm not always prepared to give my blinds up so easily and I have had good results from the sb and bb.

Can you honestly tell me your vpipsb is less than 25.72% Ian?

Goodluck2me

at .1/.25 few players will realise you are firing double barrel bluffs. i wouldnt bother. i think slowing down on the turn is good advice.

phantom_lord

most people probably don't check enough on the turn.

but you really think 25.72% is too high a vpipsb?
Can you honestly tell me your vpipsb is less than 25.72% Ian?

no, but he can disagree with saying it is far too low.

luckylucky

Dantes wrote:

Thanks cooker, I will slow down on the turn if the board gets dangerous, or I still haven't made anything worth betting, maybe I should bluff a little more in this spot is that what you mean? My CBing is high enough 85% I'd say at least, basically I will CB any flop thats not very scary...

luckylucky, whats your VPIPSB? what should I be aiming for, I just close down totally in the SB.

Hi Dantes, as I outline in my reply to ianmc my vpipsb ranges from 44 to 50. This I have a feeling might be on the high side but in general I play tight but to compensate I'm inclined to defend my blinds more than most possibly against would be bullies, others may play it differently and I'm in no way saying you should be as high as what I play but I honestly can't see how 25-26% is too high a vpipsb, as you say you are just closing down in the sb, all the other players if there are in any way observant have nothing to fear from you then when you're in the small blind, if on the rare occasion you call or raise they automatically know you have a real good hand and can act accordingly and get away cheaply. Well I don't know about you but I don't want my opponents feeling that comfortable!

luckylucky

phantom_lord wrote:

most people probably don't check enough on the turn.



no, but he can disagree with saying it is far too low.

Did I say he couldn't?

I still think it's far too low and I bet most of the winning players here are at least mid 30s(which I would still think of as low) in terms of vpipsb. Even 35% as opposed to 26% is a whopping difference and my reply to Dantes was just to emphasise the fact that his vpipsb was way too low, he was actually questioning was it too high.

phantom_lord

I'm just after checking, and mines around 27/28, 24 on full tilt, so I really don't think his is too low....

being too tight from the sb is hardly a leak anyway.

luckylucky

phantom_lord wrote:

I'm just after checking, and mines around 27/28, 24 on full tilt, so I really don't think his is too low....

being too tight from the sb is hardly a leak anyway.

Well you think I'm wrong and I think you're wrong. I think it is a leak. I could try to continue my case but have a feeling it will be pointless, so I'll just agree to differ with you and Ian on this one.

Dantes

As requested positional stats, unfortunately these will be much more skewed as they are across many levels over the last 6 months or so, and include monster tilt & drunk sessions for, oh about 4 of those 6 months.. wish I could filter them down to my current level...

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Don;t know if that pic will appear in line or as an attachment...

I do see my SB tightness a little bit of a weakness, and one that could be exploited, but its so hard to play a hand from here, out of position, unless its a pair, and even then with a low pair you really need to be flopping a set...

BobSloane

Hey dantes you may find this helpful if you play all 6 max.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=micro&Number=2913856&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=

My VPIPsb is 30 and its still my most costly position by a long way. I think your position stats are too flat. UTG and C/O are almost identical. I think you should be playing more hands from the cutoff and button overall

cooker3

phantom_lord wrote:

most people probably don't check enough on the turn.

I agree but for Dantes, this point is exploitable and people will do it. Whenever I read the twoplustwo low stakes forum, people seem to post fair few hands from FT, It seems better then old tribecca etc.

luckylucky

Been thinking a bit more about all this as it kinda stumped me seeing the likes of Ian and Phantom_Lord with much lower vpipsb's than me, perhaps in our own way we might both be right, after all there is different ways of playing this game and also there's a big differnece between playing .1/.25 and 2/4nl and higher, it's whatever works for the individual player at their level really I suppose.
Hmm though 25% still seems awfully low to me...:D

Dantes wrote:

I do see my SB tightness a little bit of a weakness, and one that could be exploited, but its so hard to play a hand from here, out of position, unless its a pair, and even then with a low pair you really need to be flopping a set...

Getting back to Dantes point, do you always need to have a hand to bet!?
You can always employ the stop and go strategy with air against someone you feel hasn't raised with much, no?

Anyway I can see why you might have a lower vpipsb in micro stakes as you probably have a lot more people in a hand and so you need a better one to still be involved when the flop comes. I rarely play below 2/4 nl so there's normally only a few people in the hand and maybe this accounts for my higher vpipsb as I'm probably allowed to see more hands or if not I'm facing a late position raise which player dependent I don't always believe and fight back - sometimes with a genuine hand and other times with one I'm hoping they go away.

Though I still feel like your vpipsb is on the lowside, my experience is not from the microstakes so to be fair people who are playing 1-2 and 2-4 nl after having worked there way up from the micro stakes will probably have more pertinent advice. So like the rest of us, just listen to all the opinions, make up your own mind and incorporate the bits you think you need to in to your game. Gl anyways.

phantom_lord

I agree but for Dantes, this point is exploitable and people will do it. Whenever I read the twoplustwo low stakes forum, people seem to post fair few hands from FT, It seems better then old tribecca etc.

meh, my turn af is lower and I don't think really think it's that exploitable.

Been thinking a bit more about all this as it kinda stumped me seeing the likes of Ian and Phantom_Lord with much lower vpipsb's than me, perhaps in our own way we might both be right, after all there is different ways of playing this game and also there's a big differnece between playing .1/.25 and 2/4nl and higher, it's whatever works for the individual player at their level really I suppose.
Hmm though 25% still seems awfully low to me...

It's bizare to be advising someone to play looser from the sb! it's a horrible position to play from, you no control or info in the hand, getting paid is tough to. tight is right!

ianmc38

Just checked my VPIP from SB and its 35. I'm also winning money there over my last 10k hands....

luckylucky

phantom_lord wrote:

It's bizare to be advising someone to play looser from the sb! it's a horrible position to play from, you no control or info in the hand, getting paid is tough to. tight is right!

Of course it's a horrible position to play from, there's no arguing that. But you alreasy have an investment in the pot which is not insignificant in your decision making. I've just read Ian's own vpipsb is 35% and this seems more the kind of mark people should be aiming for in general I think , my own style even though I'm actually quite tight pre-flop is confrontational so it's higher, someone with a more nitty style of play fair enough I suppose if you don't want to get involved more than 26% vpipsb, it's not for me! horses for courses thoughn at the end of the day.