Proper ball kicking?

walshb

As a Dub and a low key suppoter of the Dubs, I think the clip below could be extremely beneficial to our players who have an uncanny ability to constantly kick balls wide from positions a hell of a lot easier than the clip below

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eMnLCJ3UeAY&mode=related&search=

cournioni

Two totally different balls walshb. With the sphere shaped ball, you can't just hit straight through it without a kicking tee from a free kick. Otherwise you'll just kick the ground and injure yourself. Hence players kicking the ball with the inside of the foot that forces the ball to curl towards its target, or off target in some cases.

Be The Holy

Did Tommy Lyons not get some rugby league dude in a few years ago to help the free kickers? And f**k all good it did!!

A sweet kick by wilkinson all the same.

gucci

dont want to turn this into a ogara verus wilkinson debate but ogara has scored similar ones with his right from the right if you know what i mean.....one against bourgoin after marcus horans try which i cant get a link for.....but agree that kicking a egg ball is different than a round one,but composure and practice has alot to do with success rate whatever shape the liatróid

cousin_borat

Fair enough for shooting you can use the "round the corner" style of kicking. However too many players also use it for passing to other players and this really gets on my goat. The best way to pass is to punt the ball with your instep straight to your teammate, too many players have the bad habit of stupid curling passes to teammates.

walshb

You are missing my point. O'Gara and Wilko etc etc are 90% accurate everytime they strike the rugby ball from all angles and I think it is a lot more difficult to do this thatn to kick a free in football, yet the Dubs percentage is woeful. The Dubs need to seriously consider their free kick taking and every time a player is consistently poor from a free kicking position, axe the guy from the team and get someone who can damn well score. It is why Dublin cannot win a Senior title

walshb

Be The Holy wrote:

Did Tommy Lyons not get some rugby league dude in a few years ago to help the free kickers? And f**k all good it did!!

A sweet kick by wilkinson all the same.

Well then sack every last one of those players!!!!

blackbelt

Don't understand what the problem with Dublin is?Mossy Quinn is the best free taker in Ireland in my opinion.He's got great range and accuracy.Games have been lost or thrown away because of his absence or for being taken off.ie the dublin-mayo match.

This issue of free taking should concern every county and not just Dublin.I'm fed up of Dublin being criticised.

The gaelic ball is much different to a rugby ball.Plus in gaelic,you don't have a stand for the ball or a crowd that is quiet...instead you have roaring,booing crowds and you can't concentrate and take as much time as the rugby players.

Two totally different concepts here.

thirdmantackle

rugby players use a tee and so are able to hit the sweet spot of the ball every time

GAA free takers cannot do this off the ground which makes it much, much harder

Rugby players can also move the ball out the field to make a better angle before the take the kick. GAA players cannot do that

A rugby pitch is a lot smaller than a GAA pitch

walshb

blackbelt wrote:

Don't understand what the problem with Dublin is?Mossy Quinn is the best free taker in Ireland in my opinion.He's got great range and accuracy.Games have been lost or thrown away because of his absence or for being taken off.ie the dublin-mayo match.

This issue of free taking should concern every county and not just Dublin.I'm fed up of Dublin being criticised.

The gaelic ball is much different to a rugby ball.Plus in gaelic,you don't have a stand for the ball or a crowd that is quiet...instead you have roaring,booing crowds and you can't concentrate and take as much time as the rugby players.

Two totally different concepts here.

I couldn't care less about the other Counties. I'm a Dub and I think it is extremely disheartning to watch 50% of our shots on goal blaze wide and even the free kicks, which ar obviously unchallenged, a lot go wide.
As for the boos and jeering, big bloody deal. If you are blaming the jeering an boos, then I think it's a a little sad. I think it is also a lot harder what Wilko and them lads do with an oval shaped ball from the touch line than it is what the GAA players do with a round ball. I suppose it's all about practice practice practice and if our players cannot get above say 80% scores, I think they should not be playing for their County. We want to be successful, it's time to get tough and not accept a lower % rate

walshb

Oh and don't try and Say you couldn't hear the boos and whistles as Wilko was kicking. This also happens regularly in Rugby

Nalced_irl

I only have one thing to say about taking a free in Gaelic...

TAKE IT OFF THE BLOODY GROUND!!!!

Seriously tho, very few players are consistently good from the hand so i dont see why so many do it. Most players i have seen that have took my attention for their kicking (in a good way) have been players that take it from the ground.

As for the post topic, in general when you kick a rugby ball, your foot will only connect with it in one place, presuming that you have tee'd it up correctly. With a circular ball, the margin for error is alot wider as there is more of the ball closer to your kicking angle due to the fact you have to get under it also to get lift.

Trampas

Quinn can make some great free could he can miss the simple one also a couple of times a game.

GAA players decrease the angle aswell. Have you seen players kicking out of their hands. Some of the run a couple of yards inside before kicking it.

So how about all free kicks be taken from a tee then?

If the keepers use it why not let the free kickers also.

I agree with all county free takers should make more than 80% off kicks

blackbelt

Oh so its not so hard to take a free kick in GAA?....And now its "Wilko" is it.You know Walshb,if you want to complain about Dublin and ridicule our own players,then why don't you play for Dublin.Its true that we have thrown away games for not converting free kicks but the reality is that taking 45s etc are more difficult and yes a booing crowd does factor sometimes.

You take a crowd who boo in GAA and compare it to a crowd who boo in Rugby...there is no comparison whatsoever.Rugby fans are more reserved.I've been guilty of booing the likes of Ross Munnelly,Niall McNamee and Redmond Barry and Mattie Forde.It does have an effect on players.You remember Wexford v Dublin in 2005.I was in the Hill that day and the crowds were raging,booing when frees and the penalty were being taken.You don't get this in Rugby...not in the slightest.

Rugby conversions etc are teed up like a golf ball.GAA frees are not.Everybody knows that you can get more height in rugby etc where the ball is teed up...its all about physics.A rugby player can also take much longer to convert frees etc and do that balance and concentration excercise.So before comparing free kicks in rugby and GAA,spare a thought for the factors that affect the accuracy etc.

As far as Dublin are concerned,free taking must be practiced but we need more players to be of the standard of Mossy Quinn when taking frees.

cruiserweight

blackbelt wrote:

You take a crowd who boo in GAA and compare it to a crowd who boo in Rugby...there is no comparison whatsoever.Rugby fans are more reserved.I've been guilty of booing the likes of Ross Munnelly,Niall McNamee and Redmond Barry and Mattie Forde.It does have an effect on players.You remember Wexford v Dublin in 2005.I was in the Hill that day and the crowds were raging,booing when frees and the penalty were being taken.You don't get this in Rugby...not in the slightest.

I think the respect for free takers in rugby is great and something that should be encouraged in GAA. I hate to see all of the booing in games or fireworks being fired over the pitch

blackbelt wrote:

Rugby conversions etc are teed up like a golf ball.GAA frees are not.Everybody knows that you can get more height in rugby etc where the ball is teed up...its all about physics.A rugby player can also take much longer to convert frees etc and do that balance and concentration excercise.So before comparing free kicks in rugby and GAA,spare a thought for the factors that affect the accuracy etc.

Are there any restrictions on how long a player can take over a kick in GAA? There is in rugby!

blackbelt wrote:

As far as Dublin are concerned,free taking must be practiced but we need more players to be of the standard of Mossy Quinn when taking frees.

Practise does not always make perfect. Some of it is about attitude and temperament under pressure and no amount of practise can simulate those pressure situations.

walshb

blackbelt wrote:

Oh so its not so hard to take a free kick in GAA?....And now its "Wilko" is it.You know Walshb,if you want to complain about Dublin and ridicule our own players,then why don't you play for Dublin.Its true that we have thrown away games for not converting free kicks but the reality is that taking 45s etc are more difficult and yes a booing crowd does factor sometimes.

You take a crowd who boo in GAA and compare it to a crowd who boo in Rugby...there is no comparison whatsoever.Rugby fans are more reserved.I've been guilty of booing the likes of Ross Munnelly,Niall McNamee and Redmond Barry and Mattie Forde.It does have an effect on players.You remember Wexford v Dublin in 2005.I was in the Hill that day and the crowds were raging,booing when frees and the penalty were being taken.You don't get this in Rugby...not in the slightest.

Rugby conversions etc are teed up like a golf ball.GAA frees are not.Everybody knows that you can get more height in rugby etc where the ball is teed up...its all about physics.A rugby player can also take much longer to convert frees etc and do that balance and concentration excercise.So before comparing free kicks in rugby and GAA,spare a thought for the factors that affect the accuracy etc.

As far as Dublin are concerned,free taking must be practiced but we need more players to be of the standard of Mossy Quinn when taking frees.

I can't play for Dublin as GAA is not a sport I compete in and I wouldn't be good enough. That does not mean I cannot criticise the state of football in the Islands most poulated County with the best facilities in the land and largest pool of players available. You are obviously part of the reason why we are so poor, because you make excuses for our poor form and accept defeat. A tough approach and firm approcah is what is needed and like I said if our players are missing 4 and 5 out of every ten attempts, axe them and get in players with better ratios. The booing and jeering excuse is laughable to be honest!!!!

blackbelt

I can't play for Dublin as GAA is not a sport I compete in.(Walshb)

Thats where you shoot yourself in the foot.If you don't play GAA then how could you possibly know how hard it is to take a free kick from off the ground when fans are screaming abuse at you.I've been playing games out in Tallaght,St Maurs and Cabra where opposition fan scumbags stay at sidelines with their ****ty hair dryers screaming and throwing crap onto the pitch and roaring everytime you take a free kick...it does have an affect.It is intimidating and you can lose concentration.

So before you start dismissing my argument why don't you actually play GAA and then you'll know.

I've played rugby before and scored many penalties and conversions...it is not the same.The respect from fans and the opposing team is remarkable,you can hear a pin drop.


You are obviously part of the reason why we are so poor.(Walshb)

I was literally rolling around the floor when I read this.So its my fault Dublin lost to Kerry in 04,Tyrone in 05 and Mayo in 06?...what a joke.You say Dublin are so poor...take a reality check,we are in the top 5-6 teams in the country and yes I do expect us to reach a final before this decade is over.You swear we were playing football by the standards of Antrim,Kilkenny or Tipperary.If anything,I've contributed to Dublin football by participating in the sport,contributing to the club scene through refereeing courses,fundraising and a new coverage project,I am about to partake and going to nearly every Dublin game.I'll be in Castlebar this Sunday...will you?

By the way,all you can do is accept defeat in the end when it happens.Yes we do have an abundant supply of talent in the county but at the end of the day its still 15 against 15.The amount of talent in our county is shown by our progress in the championship.We also do not have a ratio of missing every 4 out of 5 frees etc.Can you come back with correct statistics please before we continue this discussion.

Thank you

blackbelt

I can't play for Dublin as GAA is not a sport I compete in.(Walshb)

Thats where you shoot yourself in the foot.If you don't play GAA then how could you possibly know how hard it is to take a free kick from off the ground when fans are screaming abuse at you.I've been playing games out in Tallaght,St Maurs and Cabra where opposition fan scumbags stay at sidelines with their ****ty hair dryers screaming and throwing crap onto the pitch and roaring everytime you take a free kick...it does have an affect.It is intimidating and you can lose concentration.

So before you start dismissing my argument why don't you actually play GAA and then you'll know.

I've played rugby before and scored many penalties and conversions...it is not the same.The respect from fans and the opposing team is remarkable,you can hear a pin drop.


You are obviously part of the reason why we are so poor.(Walshb)

I was literally rolling around the floor when I read this.So its my fault Dublin lost to Kerry in 04,Tyrone in 05 and Mayo in 06?...what a joke.You say Dublin are so poor...take a reality check,we are in the top 5-6 teams in the country and yes I do expect us to reach a final before this decade is over.You swear we were playing football by the standards of Antrim,Kilkenny or Tipperary.If anything,I've contributed to Dublin football by participating in the sport,contributing to the club scene through refereeing courses,fundraising and a new coverage project,I am about to partake and going to nearly every Dublin game.I'll be in Castlebar this Sunday...will you?

By the way,all you can do is accept defeat in the end when it happens.Yes we do have an abundant supply of talent in the county but at the end of the day its still 15 against 15.The amount of talent in our county is shown by our progress in the championship.We also do not have a ratio of missing every 4 out of 5 frees etc.Can you come back with correct statistics please before we continue this discussion.

Thank you

walshb

Oh, so only if you have played GAA can you really understand it.
I played as a kid, like pretty much every kid and was quite good, just like I played soccer. The basic fundamentals are the same. You need good footwork, rythym and balance and be fairly fit. It applies to most sports. I could still play now, but I wouldn't be good enough to represent Dublin.
That does not mean I cannot spot poor play when I see it or excellent play when I see it. I think you need a little educating on this fact.

Dublin are not crap, but they are not good enough at the moment to win a Senior title and as the largest County with all the relative advantages over the smaller counties, we still poxy well lose and the reason is because we cannot kick a ball bloody straight consistently. That's the bottom line mate.
We have lost all our crucial matches because players are missing absolute sitters and are still allowed on the pitch with hit rates which are just not acceptable. Get tough or always prepare to be losers!!!!

walshb

Oh and I do believe that Dublin shoot consistently wide more times thatn the majority of Counties in Ireland. That is a fact and it's damn well not good enough