tptk facing reraise

phantom_lord

Me 290
Vilain 220


I raise to 4 with aksoooted (d) utg, sb calls, as does bb.

Kh 3c 2h

Checked to me, I bet 12, SB folds, bb check-raises to 38



action...?

fold?
call, if so what's the plan?
raise, what the plan if he calls/raises?


25/15/2.5, villain seems to be pretty good.

Ste05

Raise it up to 90/100 and call a push. If he calls, I push on any non d turn and probably check fold to any d on the turn.

Captain Tom

i think i flat call here and re-evaluate turn.

if he's good i doubt he's c/raising with kq/kj type hands and certainly not firing a second barrel.i think he slows down with a flush draw on the turn too.

i can find a fold to a pot sized bet on the turn unless his stats suggest hes capable of doing so on a bluff(i dont use pokertracker so i have no idea what they mean).if he bets small on the turn i probably call again.

ianmc38

I'd call if he's good. If we raise and he pushes (and we call), we're against a set, AK or a flush draw and our equity isn't too good against that range.

Call, reevaluate turn for me assuming he's not the standard go broke with KJ on a K high board idiot....

Ste05

He almost never has AK here. And very seldomnly has he 22, 33 or KQ. A flush draw makes up a huge portion of his range. I'd put it at like 75%+, so I'll charge him here and now, if he wants to push and gamble, I'll oblige as a 65% favourite.

Worst case scenario (except 22 or 33 obviously) is he has 45h, but even then we have a +EV spot.

ianmc38

Why does he very seldomly have 22 or 33? I'd expect him to lead a flush draw and check raise a set, not the other way around...

Ste05

I think that 22 and 33 are hands that some TAG players will fold here pre-flop and because of the action (I expect a flush draw to C/R here alot, I see you think differently), I've discounted them slightly, they're obviously in his range, but I'm not worried enough by them to let a flush draw set his own price in this hand.

Captain Tom

Ste05 wrote:

I think that 22 and 33 are hands that some TAG players will fold here pre-flop and because of the action (I expect a flush draw to C/R here alot, I see you think differently), I've discounted them slightly, they're obviously in his range, but I'm not worried enough by them to let a flush draw set his own price in this hand.

i disagree with this.after an ep raise,and a flat caller in the sb,i think a standard tag player is calling with 22/33 a huge % of the time.

Scouser in Dub

Genuine question but is checking a set into the pre flop raiser standard on a flushing board?

Captain Tom

Scouser in Dub wrote:

Genuine question but is checking a set into the pre flop raiser standard on a flushing board?

when the p/f raiser has raised utg and the flop comes k high i think so yes.

Hectorjelly

Most standard tags will call 100% with any pair there, and they will mostly chk raise sets and just call with flush draws. I think getting it all in on this flop is very bad. Just call the raise and see what happens on the turn.

Scouser in Dub

Ok next question but if the bb doesn't expect the UTG raiser to be drawing to a flush then why is a thinking bb rasing a set here rather than check calling.

Hectorjelly

for tonnes of reasons, to build the pot and also because just because noone is drawing doesnt mean you should raise with strong hands on dangerous boards, often times a scare card will come and kill the action. Ie AA isnt going to be so willing to put 90bbs on a scary turn

Scouser in Dub

cheers HJ am I making a mistake usually leading here? My thinking being it can look like I am taking a stab from the blinds trying to rep k rag and trying to build the pot that way also looking to prevent someone who has raised AQs from taking a free card

valor

Hectorjelly wrote:

Most standard tags will call 100% with any pair there, and they will mostly chk raise sets and just call with flush draws. I think getting it all in on this flop is very bad. Just call the raise and see what happens on the turn.

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reilly110

if you get raise it up here and are pushed on you are behind a large percentage of the time --

i think a call here and see what happens the turn
definately would not get stacked here

fuzzbox

You are allowed to fold this.

I mean, you bet into 3 dudes, so you are more likely to have a real hand.