Green Joker Poker rake schedule?

RoundTower

Can anyone tell me the rake schedule for Green Joker? I assume all the iPoker sites are the same but not sure. Specifically I would like the schedule for PLO games 1 2 and upwards.

I found the following mess on the GJP website where they try to describe it. According to this the max rake at 5 10 PL is $1, or $3, or $4. How has it changed from Tribeca? We would have heard from a dozen people on this site if the rake had gone down, so it can only have gone up or stayed the same.



I'm sorry to make yet another iPoker/changeover thread but this is pretty important to some of us.

Shortstack

That part of the website should have been deleted as all this info is now in the client. I thought I had removed it but obviously not! It will be done when I get home.

To see rake info simply click 'help' in the client and go to 'Poker Games' and scroll to the bottom.

Max rake has actually gone down. 6-10 players in NL/PL is capped at $3. For full info see client.

RoundTower

it was always capped at $3, no? I never played $20 $40 if that was capped higher.

There are other parts of the site that look like a hangover from the Tribeca days, for example

www.greenjokerpoker.com wrote:

Due to the potential to abuse our all-in policy, we do not grant any disconnect all-in protection for pot-limit and no-limit games, nor in tournament play. Regardless of the reason, if you fail to act in the required time, your hand will be folded

this is clearly not true on the new client, and I'm pretty sure someone abused it on me just there.

www.greenjokerpoker.com wrote:

Pot limit and No limit Buy-in Rules: You must bring at least 10 times the Big Blind to the table, and no more than 50 times the Big Blind in these games.

I don't know who you pikeyed that bit from but it wasn't true on Tribeca and it's not true now.

RoundTower

actually I think a lot of this was just cut and pasted from someone else's Tribeca site. Is there no iPoker equivalent?

RoundTower

Shortstack wrote:

To see rake info simply click 'help' in the client and go to 'Poker Games' and scroll to the bottom.

Max rake has actually gone down. 6-10 players in NL/PL is capped at $3. For full info see client.

OK I've done a little bit of research. I don't have a GJP client, only BSQ. But I'd like people to confirm this for me in GJP.

The rake in NL and PL games is advertised as 25c per $5, capped at $1/$2/$3 for 3 or less/5 or less/6+ players respectively. If memory serves this was the correct schedule on Tribeca.


However rake has now gone UP to, as far as I can tell, 5c per $1 with the same caps. This is not the same: to see why, imagine the rake was $3 per $60 capped at $3. A lot of pots, especially at smaller games, would not be raked at all.

Here's an example:

This pot should be raked $1.25 according to the BSQ help document. Instead an extra $.15 appears to have been raked from the pot. It doesn't sound like a whole lot, but over a year I would expect to make $1,000 less on a site that rakes this way. Over a few hundred players like me, a site could net an extra hundred grand a year just from this rake increase.

Could one of you (or a PPP rep, lol) comment on the rake increase? Also could you pass on the inconsistency in their documentation to Blue Square please?

phantom_lord

so it wasn't just my imagination that smaller pots were being raked more than on tribeca...

ianmc38

I'd noticed playing some very low stakes hu that the rake was unbelievable. 25% of the chips had left the table with in 20 minutes.

Shortstack

RoundTower wrote:

OK I've done a little bit of research. I don't have a GJP client, only BSQ. But I'd like people to confirm this for me in GJP.

The rake in NL and PL games is advertised as 25c per $5, capped at $1/$2/$3 for 3 or less/5 or less/6+ players respectively. If memory serves this was the correct schedule on Tribeca.


However rake has now gone UP to, as far as I can tell, 5c per $1 with the same caps. This is not the same: to see why, imagine the rake was $3 per $60 capped at $3. A lot of pots, especially at smaller games, would not be raked at all.

Here's an example:

This pot should be raked $1.25 according to the BSQ help document. Instead an extra $.15 appears to have been raked from the pot. It doesn't sound like a whole lot, but over a year I would expect to make $1,000 less on a site that rakes this way. Over a few hundred players like me, a site could net an extra hundred grand a year just from this rake increase.

Could one of you (or a PPP rep, lol) comment on the rake increase? Also could you pass on the inconsistency in their documentation to Blue Square please?

Actually Dave the way the pot is raked is the same as Tribeca, .25c per $5 is 5%. This terminology is similar to when politicians or accountants quote tax as being 20c in the euro, or 20p in the pound. You are taxed at 20% if you earn 1 unit and 50c so therefore tax would be 30c and not 20c.

On Tribeca this pot would have been raked the same amount.

I resent the implication that we are skimming, Ipoker (who also are not skimming) set the rake not Myself or Tom.

The other quotes about disconnect protect etc are all part of the same page I had not deleted in error. I am still out running a tournament and have no access to edit the site but I will as soon as I get home.

Normally when you pick apart statements you are correct but in this case your facts are wrong and your comments leaning towards slanderous.

Tribeca and Ipoker were totally seperate companies and both use the same terminology to describe the rake taken.

Shortstack

ianmc38 wrote:

I'd noticed playing some very low stakes hu that the rake was unbelievable. 25% of the chips had left the table with in 20 minutes.

HU rake is 5% and capped at $1, this is in line with most other sites that I have seen and the same as Tribeca was.

phantom_lord

ianmc38 wrote:

I'd noticed playing some very low stakes hu that the rake was unbelievable. 25% of the chips had left the table with in 20 minutes.

that's kinda standard for hu at low stakes!

Shortstack

RoundTower wrote:

actually I think a lot of this was just cut and pasted from someone else's Tribeca site. Is there no iPoker equivalent?

All the info is in the client now.

cardshark202

Just read this now. If it says the rake is "25c for each $5 in the pot", I would not assume that the rake is 5% per pot. Whoever wrote that up should have an idea of how that text will be perceived. I would go so far as to say that it is almost deliberately misleading. I would not accuse yourself or Tom of this Mike, it's obviously someone at bsq/ipoker who's at fault for this.

Shortstack

cardshark202 wrote:

Just read this now. If it says the rake is "25c for each $5 in the pot", I would not assume that the rake is 5% per pot. Whoever wrote that up should have an idea of how that text will be perceived. I would go so far as to say that it is almost deliberately misleading. I would not accuse yourself or Tom of this Mike, it's obviously someone at bsq/ipoker who's at fault for this.

How about if the site states just above these tables:

The house commissions between 0% and 5% of each total pot, but never more than $3. We do not charge a rake if the hand ended before the "flop" cards were dealt - "No flop no drop".

I have deleted my original reply to this thread, maybe the OP could rethink the way this thread has been worded and the effect that it may have on a small company that done it's damnedest to build itself a reputation in a business where many are just looking for the max profit possible. Especially where the insinuations made are untrue and misleading.

cardshark202

Yeah making it explicit is generally best.

Shortstack

Unfortunately the window is too small to get a full screen shot but just to clarify the section on rake starts like this:

Rake
The house commissions between 0% and 5% of each total pot, but never more than $3. We do not charge a rake if the hand ended before the "flop" cards were dealt - "No flop no drop".

This is a CLEAR reference to rake being a percentage. The tables are merely a guide for those who do not understand percentages.

For your information tables like these are used on both Pokerstars and Party Poker.

Also for clarity's sake: The rake on Tribeca was also a percentage and the pot Dave posted a picture of would have been raked the same amount on Tribeca. Therefore no 'Stealth increase' or 'extra profit for site owners'. Neither are you paying $1000's of dollars in extra rake.

This thread caused a lot of concern for me and contains a lot of mis-information. Of course had I correctly deleted the old rake schedule this could have been dealt with a lot less painfully. Thankfully having this information in the client now saves me from making future errors during very busy weeks.