2 Pair in Reraised pot

Captain Tom

$2/4 6 max on tribeca(before switch).

Effective stacks ~$775.

I raise AJs on button to $14.

SB(tag reg and almost definately a winner at 2/4) 3-bets to $44.3rd time he has 3-bet me in around 45 minutes at the table.both other times he took it down pf.

i call.

Flop:AJT rainbow.SB bets $72.

Who raises here and why?

Edit:What i mean is,if you raise do you do so with the intention of raise/calling or raise/folding?

pok3rplaya

We have like the nuts here.

phantom_lord

pok3rplaya wrote:

We have like the nuts here.

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BobSloane

I would probably just call and see what he does on the turn. Thats about as scary as a flop gets for top two pair.
Although if he has a hand like QQ , KK or AK he's getting a free shot at the straight.

phantom_lord

he almost never has kq here.

Sparky1808

I would probably just call his bet on the flop and see how he bets the next street, or whether or not he calms down with the betting. Then cross that bridge when you come to it, but as phantom says 98% of the time he isn't playing KQ in that spot.

Captain Tom

i dont see how people can rule out kq here.hes been 3 betting frequently enough that kq is certainly part of his range.

its obviously more likely im ahead than behind,but all raising here does is fold out every hand i beat and inflate the pot for hands im behind against imo.

i think this is a much easier spot if we were 100bb deep or less.

valor

we do not have like the nuts here at all, he has almost no hand that will felt for 200BB on that board where we are good

OP, I like a call here to allow him keep firing if he has air, not force him to fold AK/AQ/KK/QQ and to keep the pot relatively small

phantom_lord

Captain Tom wrote:

i dont see how people can rule out kq here.hes been 3 betting frequently enough that kq is certainly part of his range.

its obviously more likely im ahead than behind,but all raising here does is fold out every hand i beat and inflate the pot for hands im behind against imo.

i think this is a much easier spot if we were 100bb deep or less.

kq is a really really bad hand to be 3betting, so I don't think it's part of his range. I like just calling him down.

RoundTower

If he can't ever have KQ here I like folding preflop.

Captain Tom

RoundTower wrote:

If he can't ever have KQ here I like folding preflop.

i agree with this 100%.the reason i called the reraise was because i beleived he hed been 3-betting light.

i decided to take the same line as valor and call down.then things got kinda messed up.

Pot is ~$236.

Turn:7.Villian checks,Hero bets $165 with ~$500 behind,Villian c/r's all in,Hero folds.

Easy fold?thoughts on turn bet?

pok3rplaya

Folding pf is definitly better then calling unless you're planning to pull some moves post flop.

Post flop is fine. I might check behind on the turn though.

I call now, I can see him doing this with AK.

robinlacey

i would just call him down here,we're 200bbs deep and if he is a winning player he's not often stacking off with hands you beat.

turn is tricky,sometimes i'd call sometimes i'd fold,to be honest it depends a lot on how the table has been playing,(especially me and him obviously)

i would consider checking the turn behind here,that way if he has the nuts and was planning a check raise he is instead reduced to a 180 or so bet on the river,which isnt too costly for you,and if he has AK/AQ you can get some value out of the river.

preflop call is marginal,if you were shallower it'd be bad,if you were deeper it'd be mandatory,as it is i would sometimes call but i certainly wouldn't make a habit of it.

RoundTower

I think the turn is a tough spot, I would probably check because the raise puts you in such a bad position. Depending on suits is it possible for him to have say AK and nut flush draw?

Captain Tom

pok3rplaya wrote:

Folding pf is definitly better then calling unless you're planning to pull some moves post flop.

Post flop is fine. I might check behind on the turn though.

I call now, I can see him doing this with AK.

a winning tag player wont do this 200bb deep very often imo.Am i wrong in thinking this?

Board was rainbow Roundtower.

i guess betting turn is terrible unless we plan to call a reraise?

pok3rplaya

The way I'm looking at this is the only likely hand he can have that beats us is TT and KQ. He will definitly be reraising here with those hands.

He can do this sometimes with AK but it's a really bad line from him.

TBH I dunno wtf to do. I give up poker.

Hectorjelly

This is about as far away from the nuts as you can get, In isolation we have a strongish hand here, but we are in a very bad spot because there is no other strong hand that our opponent can hold that we beat. If he has any set or KQ he is going to want to play a big pot. then if he has any other hand he likely to have completely missed. AQ and AK are the only hands in the middle, and I dont think he will want to go to war with either of them.

I think unless we are sure how we can react to any turn action we have to check, bet folding is a really bad line, and bet calling isnt very attractive against a tight player.

I dont think you can rule out KQ at all, just because you think its a bad 3 betting hand doesnt mean our opponents do, and I much prefer a 4 bet here to a call preflop.