Never fold a set revisited

ZZR1100

In this example i called but hated doing so.Any1 fold here??
usually i re-pop the the flop bet but not always..

Hand #40138982-632 at Oshawa (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 08/Mar/07 15:57:47

Value Town is at seat 0 with $235.25.
ballerdeuce is at seat 1 with $194.95.
tarnu is at seat 2 with $179.
dhafra1 is at seat 3 with $296.05.
Hero is at seat 4 with $240.70.
tleo is at seat 5 with $57.45.
The button is at seat 0.

ballerdeuce posts the small blind of $1.
tarnu posts the big blind of $2.

Value Town: -- --
ballerdeuce: -- --
tarnu: -- --
dhafra1: -- --
Hero: 4d 4c
tleo: -- --

Pre-flop:

dhafra1 calls. Hero calls. tleo calls. Value
Town calls. ballerdeuce folds. tarnu checks.

Flop (board: 5s 4s Kc):

tarnu checks. dhafra1 bets $25. Hero calls.
tleo goes all-in for $55.45. Value Town folds.
tarnu goes all-in for $177. dhafra1 goes all-in for
$294.05. Hero goes all-in for $238.70. dhafra1
is returned $55.35 (uncalled).

Turn (board: 5s 4s Kc 3d):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 5s 4s Kc 3d Js):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

dhafra1 shows Ah Ac.
dhafra1 has Ah Ac 5s Kc Js: a pair of aces.
Hero shows 4d 4c.
Hero has 4d 4c 4s Kc Js: three fours.
tleo shows 3s Ks.
tleo has 3s Ks 5s 4s Js: flush, king high.
tarnu shows Kd 5c.
tarnu has Kd 5c 5s Kc Js: two pair, kings and fives.


Hand #40138982-632 Summary:

$3 is raked from a total pot of $720.85.
$3 is raked from the main pot of $232.80.
$0 is raked from side pot #1 of $364.65.
$0 is raked from side pot #2 of $123.40.
tleo wins the main pot $229.80 with flush, king high.
Hero wins side pot #1 $364.65 with three fours.
Hero wins side pot #2 $123.40 with three fours.

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ianmc38

I wouldnt fold and I think you should raise the flop 100% of the time. There's straight draws and a flush draw out there.

Ste05

yeah have to call, and I'd also have raised the flop.

fuzzbox

Is there a point to this post?
You called, had the best hand in a massive pot and won some money ... wtf?

BobSloane

The only hand that you should be really worried about in that situation I think is a set of 5s. If you folded here I would question your sexual orientation - strongly. Dhafras call is a bit stranger I think than yours. How to lose all your money with AA

ZZR1100

fuzzbox wrote:

Is there a point to this post?
You called, had the best hand in a massive pot and won some money ... wtf?

the point (as the title suggests) is there ever a situation where u can fold a set on the flop.revisited means it was discussed in length in an earlier post. the results of the hand dont matter. the hand in particular was posted because i thought it was a borderline call.it was answered

RoundTower

Well I think you can consider folding, with no information on the players you should probably call but against some opponents fold. UTG can have KK, any of the opps can have 55. And combo draw/pair + draw is a big part of the $177 guy's range, we're only 60-65% or so against those hands as a group. Most players really need a decent hand to stick it in there as UTG.

Everyone who thinks it's an easy call:
what do you think of the AA push? On the one hand there are a few more hands we don't beat with AA (the unlikely 2 pair and bottom set), and when we're ahead we're not as far ahead (of 1 pair or fd). On the other hand there is one less guy going nuts before us, and it's not too hard to put the $177 guy on a hand we beat.

I don't see how you can justify getting it in every time as hero with 44 but not as UTG with AA. But if I posted a hand where I limped AA UTG and stacked off against that action you'd all laugh.

RoundTower

fuzzbox wrote:

Is there a point to this post?
You called, had the best hand in a massive pot and won some money ... wtf?

fuzz you are being unusually results orientated, this hand is more interesting than you seem to think.

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

Well I think you can consider folding, with no information on the players you should probably call but against some opponents fold. UTG can have KK, any of the opps can have 55. And combo draw/pair + draw is a big part of the $177 guy's range, we're only 60-65% or so against those hands as a group. Most players really need a decent hand to stick it in there as UTG.

Everyone who thinks it's an easy call:
what do you think of the AA push? On the one hand there are a few more hands we don't beat with AA (the unlikely 2 pair and bottom set), and when we're ahead we're not as far ahead (of 1 pair or fd). On the other hand there is one less guy going nuts before us, and it's not too hard to put the $177 guy on a hand we beat.

I don't see how you can justify getting it in every time as hero with 44 but not as UTG with AA. But if I posted a hand where I limped AA UTG and stacked off against that action you'd all laugh.

Thing is, there is a big difference between AA and 44, here, especially due to the draw-heaviness of the board. AA is in much worse shape against combo draws and pair+flush draws and stuff.