fitz 1-2 hand

Goodluck2me

Playing around 5am last night, just get moved to the main game. after about a round of the table this hand comes up. bit of history Player B in this hand, hand just called a re-pot on the flop with just a king high flush draw and then potted the turn when it came. he has me covered at about 600. i am playing 360, and player A is playing 135. Both Players are chinese and have been at the mian table for most of the night.
There are 4 limpers to my BB, i have K6o. I obviously check. flop comes out
rainbow K56. SB checks, i bet pot 10, 3 callers A,B, and SB. (40) Turn comes a 7. SB checks, i check, Player A checks, PlayerB bets 30.Sb folds i call 30???, Player A pushes for 120, Player B calls the extra 90, and i?

How is my play on the flop, turn? comments appreciated./

5starpool

I haven't read this, but your play is atrocious. You should not be allowed near a table, never mind playing at one. Ask Luke if you can be a waitron (new word to me, but above the new till at the bottom of the stairs, so who am I to argue).

Goodluck2me

5starpool wrote:

I haven't read this, but your play is atrocious. You should not be allowed near a table, never mind playing at one. Ask Luke if you can be a waitron (new word to me, but above the new till at the bottom of the stairs, so who am I to argue).

you got a number for him by any chance?

Edit: bump. would actually like some serious responses:

Goodluck2me

b.u.m.p.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

LuckyLloyd wrote:

This hand becomes a lot easier if you lead out for the pot on the turn.

I think this is bad, and a check is much better.

I'd imagine player a has you beat, but he could have 56/67/57 alot tho, and you do have outs if he has the straight!

pretty sure you have the big stack beaten, so if you think you can get your tank in against him you should, either now or on the river.

But i'd probably fold i think. i dunno.

edit, yeah, I think a fold's a lot better.

padraig_f

I would lead the flop and lead the turn. I'd assume my hand to be still good on the turn, if someone reraised then I'd reconsider it, but I think you have to initially assume your hand is good on the turn and bet the pot.

As played, it's a pretty strange play from Player A. 4 players in the pot and he goes for a check-raise, 3rd to act. I'm not sure what to make of this action, but I think it's unusual enough that you have to at least call. I'd assume to have player B beaten though, he played his king-high flush straightforwardly so I couldn't see any reason why he'd be getting tricky with a stronger hand here. I would push all-in. He seems a loose player so I think you could easily get a call from a worse hand, considering he's already called the 90 from Player A.

LuckyLloyd

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Goodluck2me

he was some of my thinking on the hand. the first thing was, why would someone with a straigh CRAI 3rd to act, he could hardly expect the button to bet, or at least if he did it was a huge risk, the board was also flushing so he was risking his hand being no good if it does spade the river. Player B can afford to bet here he had just won a huge pot and was the biggest stack at the table, he pots it, and i dont think he needs all that much to do it, any king i think will do. i flat call so i show much weakness here, and am not over committed, so when it gets to player A he has 150 euro the pot before he puts a penny in in c90 so he has quite a lot of value with a straight and flush draw like 3sXs/8sXs, so he tanks it. now player B flat calls, i think this lineis very weak, he has enough chips to ask me a serious quesiton, and i doubt he was tryin to price me in as he had played hands before so aggressively and therefore i thought he was drawing.

also lloyd the reason i checked the turn was because i didnt want to call a re-raise on what was a pretty dangerous turn. i was happy to call a bet and keep the pot relatively small, i think i often fold the best hand if i pot it and its repotted i have to fold. so by check calling i control the pot size whilst still getting value from big kings.


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phantom_lord

LuckyLloyd wrote:

If we bet out for forty it will be much easier to judge whether to get the tank in from the betting behind is then the way in which the hand has actually panned out on the turn.

granted, but I don't particularly want to play for stacks in this hand.

out of the other hands that want to, most of them beat us. kq isn't playing for stacks here, 34 is, 89 is, 78....maybe?? k5/k6 are unlikely, 56 is likely, but I'd probably expect a reraise on the flop. k7 might be in there too, along with 55/66.

Your two pair is still good a lot of the time,

i don't know about that....

and if you have just been beaten by a turned straight - shorty will flat call if it him; the big stack will re - raise. And then we can fold.

i don't like raising planning to fold to a reraise, I'd prefer to check call and try to get to a shown down cheaper.

costs us the same on the turn to call a bet as betting, with no risk of a reraise, and we get value from worse hands.

Or we can just fold if it goes pot pot.

All betting does is inflate the pot with a hand that is pretty vulnerable.

Ste05

It's generally not a god idea to get AI for 300BB's in a multi-way limped pot with 2 pair on a K567 board. It certainly looks like at least one of them has a set/ straight. Although it's the Fitz, and it's late, our hand is still quite weak.

It's a tricky one, I would have lead the turn here, by check calling our hand is under represented and if we now raise, our hand will be over represented, so it's hard to judge what the other players think. I'd have just check raised/lead the turn as a matter of course, so I'm not sure what I'd do as played. However, it's probbaly marginal between pushing and folding, probably slightly skewed towards pushing due to the location and time of this hand, but I'm not over the moon about either.

Goodluck2me

phantom_lord wrote:

i don't like raising planning to fold to a reraise, I'd prefer to check call and try to get to a shown down cheaper.

costs us the same on the turn to call a bet as betting, with no risk of a reraise, and we get value from worse hands.

Or we can just fold if it goes pot pot.

All betting does is inflate the pot with a hand that is pretty vulnerable.

agreed with is as above...

Goodluck2me

Ste05 wrote:

It's a tricky one, I would have lead the turn here, by check calling our hand is under represented

Why would you lead/check-raise?
Thats a good thing though as we get a bet from worse hands on the river.

Ste05 wrote:

I'd have just check raised/lead the turn as a matter of course

why?

phantom_lord

i think a c/r is really really bad here!

It's generally not a god idea to get AI for 300BB's in a multi-way limped pot with 2 pair on a K567 board.

i meant to say that too.

i think underreping our hand is good, certainly better than getting it all-in.

Solksjaer

Look at the players involved, if one of them is a TAG. Fold. If they are chasers SHOVE. Best move of all though is to gome home. 5 am in the morning and your playing K 6s agianst lunatics...time for bed.

I'd have lead the turn av. gressively.

Goodluck2me

Solksjaer wrote:

Look at the players involved, if one of them is a TAG. Fold. If they are chasers SHOVE. Best move of all though is to gome home. 5 am in the morning and your playing K 6s agianst lunatics...time for bed.

I'd have lead the turn av. gressively.

how often do you fold you Big blind in stead of just checking?out of curiosity?

Solksjaer

Never....:-) it's still 5 am though.

Goodluck2you ...bet you were ahead and he rivered a higher two pair.

Doh!

Ste05

goodluck2me wrote:

Why would you lead/check-raise?

Because I will bet with other hands here too, e.g. straight, sets, etc. and I also think I probably have the best hand and want to charge draws and weaker hands. Our hand is strong enough to bet with, I'm not expecting to get All-In here, but I want to win some more $$$, it's a K high flop and I want to charge all TP hands, other 2 pair hands, flush and straight draws, I'm not expecting to get an awful lot of action, but it's just a straight forward +EV spot to bet in, nothing really that extraordinary about it, what happens after is the only thing that makes this hand awkward.

phantom_lord wrote:

i think underreping our hand is good, certainly better than getting it all-in.

If we under-rep our hand then we have to at least call and with an under-represented hand there's a much higher chance we will end up All-In not knowing anything about how our hand stands up against our opponents or will fold the best hand.

LuckyLloyd

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Goodluck2me

to be honest eric is the only chinese person i know the name of. they were both chinese so it could have been although its a guess and slightly racist of me to say so!

valor

I would definitely lead the turn again, both for value and for protection

As played, I think you should fold, but its close.

Next best is to call and c/f the river unless you hit a boat

also, we dont have 300bb, we have 180 or something

Goodluck2me

well for the reasons stated above, i pushed to i) create a side pot against a guy i thought would build with a worse hand and secondly because i couldnt belive A or B to be that strong. due to how they played the hand. i pushed and B insta-mucked his hand. A 6 came on the river i declared house and Player A mucked his hand straight away, i dont think he mucks a straight he`d prob show it and mention that i got lucky. he seemed very unaffected by it, they tried to tell me that A had 89 and B reckoned he had 34 but i wouldnt believe this in a month of sundays.
i thought the hand was interesting enough given the unusual action on the turn, i think the general consensus was that a turn lead is better, and fold to a re-pot from B if A goes all in too. should i push however if A pushes and B only flat calls.

Goodluck2me

think the general consensus was that a turn lead is better, and fold to a re-pot from B if A goes all in too. should i push however if A pushes and B only flat calls.