Poison Pen letters

mollzer

Dont know if this is in the right section or not but here goes.

I've received a few poison pen letters over the past few months, and have been down the normal routes re solicitor/Gardai etc but to no avail.

Trouble is I've a fair idea who has written them and have samples of their writing too but have no idea where I can go to find out if the handwriting matchs or not.
I am sure there are experts out there, I have tried googling but nothing is showing up for here in Ireland, only in UK.
Has anyone any experience with receiving poison pen letters and what can be done to stop them or figure out for definite who has written them?

King of Kings

can the gardai not do this comparison for you?
surely if you made a compliant and nominated a suspect they'd at least have to entertain the idea thus comparing the handwriting.

mollzer

Unfortunately I did make a complaint, several actually over the few months and nominated a suspect too.
But all of this takes time and the gardai, being under-resourced (I say this because I cannot come up with any other reason why the perpertrator of spousal abuse would not be asked to make a statement in 6 months) have not taken this suspect in for questioning.
At least if I knew for definite, myself, I would be able to make others aware of who wrote these letters.

Talliesin

See if you've enough to get a safety order.

Since threatening letters can be considered a breach of a safety order, you can then make a complaint on the basis of that. Gardai have to arrest someone breaching a safety order.

Black Swan

For a scientific handwriting analysis of your poison pen letters, you may wish to enquire with [mod-snip]someone from the Garda forensic dept[/mod-snip]

mollzer

For the record, I did have a safety order in place that was breached in person 6 months ago.
These threatening letters (of my life) were more recent.
I have made numerous statements and the suspect was never spoken to once by the Gardai before he died. The safety order, unfortunately, was of absolutly no benefit whatsoever to me.

Thank you Blue Lagoon for the info, but unfrotunately that lab do not do any public analysis.

Kinetic^

Before he died? Is he sending letters from the afterlife?

Talliesin

I'm figuring that the OP suspects they come from a person in someway related to the person she had a safety order against.

Of course, I could be wrong, in which case hopefully the OP will correct me soon enough.

Marksie

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

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And your answer will most probably be.... that it has not been directed via the the police

[edit to remove name]


If you are determined to try someone then start with the front desk, but the first line hold true. They are contracted to the gardai.

Edit: sorry posted just after the OP.

What concrete evidence do you have other than letters? and in particular that your life is under threat?

Black Swan

mollzer wrote:

Thank you Blue Lagoon for the info, but unfrotunately that lab do not do any public analysis.

He or his assistant might suggest someone with the gardai who might take an interest in your case, or otherwise refer you to a credible handwriting analysis consultant in Dub?

Talliesin

Or they could say "who are you? please stop calling here".

They're the ****ing Forensic Science Laboratory. They are not private detectives.

If someone wants to pursue a private forensic investigation they are going to need private forensic investigators and private detectives, who are probably best hired through their lawyer for two reasons (since you're going to need a lawyer to do something with such evidence anyway, and since the lawyer will quite likely be able to move on this without micro-****ing-analysis of the handwriting).

Wow. You induced me to use two expletives in a 90-odd word post including an expletive infix. Hmm.

Red Hand

Talliesin wrote:

Or they could say "who are you? please stop calling here".

They're the ****ing Forensic Science Laboratory. They are not private detectives.

If someone wants to pursue a private forensic investigation they are going to need private forensic investigators and private detectives, who are probably best hired through their lawyer for two reasons (since you're going to need a lawyer to do something with such evidence anyway, and since the lawyer will quite likely be able to move on this without micro-****ing-analysis of the handwriting).

Wow. You induced me to use two expletives in a 90-odd word post including an expletive infix. Hmm.

No need to blow a gasket, Charlie. Isn't this forum moderated?



Aaaaannnnnnywaaaaaaay....I agree with Blue for pointing out the forensic side of things. Going to a forensic laborotory (private or public) may be the way to go.

Talliesin

Why?

Red Hand

Hmmmmmm...well, why not? There may be some piece of evidence may well link the perpertrator to the act? Even if this action does not result in a court case or legal action, the perpertrater knowing that the OP has some degree of evidence linking him to the letter might just be enough to disuade him from repeating his actions?

After all it was only a suggestion.

Savman

Confusing. The perp is dead? Or is there a copycat?

Talliesin

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote:

Hmmmmmm...well, why not? There may be some piece of evidence may well link the perpertrator to the act? Even if this action does not result in a court case or legal action, the perpertrater knowing that the OP has some degree of evidence linking him to the letter might just be enough to disuade him from repeating his actions?

After all it was only a suggestion.

So why not pursue the investigation through a lawyer like normal?

Red Hand

I think that the OP wanted a handwriting expert in his/her original post? And a good place to start might be getting in contact with a forensic lab, even a public one as Blue Lagoon pointed out for they may be able to point her in the direction of a suitable private lab/private detective who has experience in these matters.

kmick

When you get one of these letters drop it straight through the shredder. Take a walk and go to your local cafe and have a tea/coffee and a sticky bun. Leave it go.

loismustdie

op, do you really believe your life is in danger? can you please elaborate/clarify

Turner

Just dont open the feckin things.

If somebody was going to kill you, you can be damn sure they are not going to send you umpteen letters telling you they are.


The sender is only trying to scare you.

Talliesin

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote:

even a public one as Blue Lagoon pointed out for they may be able to point her in the direction of a suitable private lab/private detective who has experience in these matters.

They won't. A lawyer will.

Lawyers often deal with private investigators.

Lawyers tend to be pretty good at knowing about the sort of people they do business with because this means they get more money. Lawyers often like money.

Kinetic^

Lawyers? I think you needa different country if you want a lawyer!!!

Anyway, OP, if the person responsible is brown bread, then I'd let it go.

Talliesin

Quite the opposite Kenny. Lawyers are the most common way to hire investigators here. It's in other countries that it's more common to directly hire and investigator. You can still go to the likes of www.pilimited.com if you don't want to involve a lawyer.

I think you're certainly right that if the perp is dead it's best to drop it.

Gordon

Talliesin wrote:

Or they could say "who are you? please stop calling here".

They're the ****ing Forensic Science Laboratory. They are not private detectives.

If someone wants to pursue a private forensic investigation they are going to need private forensic investigators and private detectives, who are probably best hired through their lawyer for two reasons (since you're going to need a lawyer to do something with such evidence anyway, and since the lawyer will quite likely be able to move on this without micro-****ing-analysis of the handwriting).

Wow. You induced me to use two expletives in a 90-odd word post including an expletive infix. Hmm.

Please, enough of the sarcasm and aggressive posts. It was a perfectly reasonable suggestion to ask the Gardai if they could refer/recommend a professional in that area of handwriting expertise.

However, I'm removing the email address of the particular Gardai for spam reasons.

Marksie

Gordon wrote:

However, I'm removing the email address of the particular Gardai for spam reasons.

[edited to remove reference to name] In fact if you want to be really sensible, snip the whole address thing. He has alot of clout and may not like unsoliciuted sh*te going through to him. Though his address is in teh public domain easy enough. To be perfetcly honest it was irresponsible of the petrson to post that in the first place.


Talliesin is right, as I someone closely associated with such matters, you would be politely told to go away, NO-ONE would give you furher information for fear of comback, remember they are piblic servants and as such are severely restricted in advice they can give. When the phone goes down the expletives start.

I am a little confused by the OP anyway.. what exactly IS going on, are the letters from the deceased or a relative and who or what is not being interviewed.

mollzer

Its been a while since I last replied here but thought I would clarify some things.
Marksie as I wrote in my origional post all I was looking for was someone elses experience in recieveing poison pen letters and how could I find out for definite who wrote them.
Thank you all for replying to the thread but I am still none the wiser.
Yes the 'perp' is dead, and NO I did not receive letters from the 'afterlife', BUT I would like some closure and his family would also as they are still unsure as to if he actually sent these threatening letters of not.
Re my safety, yes I am safe now, obviously, but at the time the death threats were real as the 'perp' had the capabilties of being violent and carrying through his threats................as per the news we are all to well aware of people murdering their partners in a fit of rage etc. You dont have to be in a drugs gang etc to murder someone.
For those who are in the same boat, the Gardai will not bother with these sort of letters as they see domestic violence as 'small fry' in todays world regardless of how many people die at the hands of their supposed 'loved ones'.
So yes, put the letter in the shredder, forget you ever got it, its written to frighten and if you havent read it then you will not be afraid of leaving your house (or in my case having my face sliced from ear to ear).
I will eventually employ a writing analyst, just so I know for definite.

Victor

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