Questions asked over our €100 Freezeout Reg Fee

BIG-SLICK-POKER

Hi all,


Just a quick note we have had some people question our reg fee on our €100 game which is €20 i am fully aware it is 20% but this is beyond our control Our €200 game is 10% and same as with our €250 game , This is why it is impossible to run a €50 game out side the club from here on in also ..The only way to do it is to do rebuys and cream off the top which we dont agree with
AS WE PAY OUT 100% THE PRIZEPOOL .. As u can see we are fully out in the open with the costs and the take but we have had a few complaints lately on this fee ..

For Instance we have events booked in all over the country at the moment and take our game in Kilkenny in april

Estimated costs - With 70 runners

Prizepool - €7000
Reg - €1400


Room Hire - €350
Food-70 players@€7 per head Sausages and sambos €500
Dealers - 8 Dealers @ approx average €80 each €640
Posters €100
Banners €100
Texts - €70
Travel - €50

Total Outgoing costs - €1810

This means this Tournament runs at a loss with 70 runners and cuts into our side games which facilitate . TDs Wages and the Companys Take .


If u feel we can improve this in any way we would love to suit the players but from these figures it is not feesible , As i have stated before we put the players first but to put the players first and create a professional tournament this fee has to stay the same ....

PLEASE GIVE ME SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS ISSUE

Neill K

Lafortezza

Tournament organisers can charge what they like. As long as they are clear about % going into the prize pool, and whether rebuys/topups are all going into the prizepool.
If the tourney organisers are clear in how the prizepool/rake/regfees/etc are set up then it's up to the punter to make their decision if they want to play or not.
Buyer beware and all that.

BigCityBanker

your paying far too much for your food - you are bringing good ancilliary business to the hotels, you need to squeeze them on items like this.

I dont see what benefit banners add to the game.

BIG-SLICK-POKER

BigCityBanker wrote:

your paying far too much for your food - you are bringing good ancilliary business to the hotels, you need to squeeze them on items like this.

I dont see what benefit banners add to the game.

Advertising Banners on the road lol Not the boyle banner they are about 300 each lol..

I did squeeze this hotel - €500 was the room hire and food i could not budge other hotel differ to €5 per head food ..

Neill

ianmc38

I remember looking at the dealers constantly as they were raking ridiculous amounts from my pots in waterford. I had to shower immediately afterwards.

poorbarman

neil in tralee is it a freezeout or one rebuy?If u pm me i will put up a few posters around the area if u send them on.I havent seen anything about the game in tralee.

BIG-SLICK-POKER

poorbarman wrote:

neil in tralee is it a freezeout or one rebuy?If u pm me i will put up a few posters around the area if u send them on.I havent seen anything about the game in tralee.

Advertising going up saturday bud ...Tralee is A Freezeout Banners and posters and papers ... Dont know wat type of numbers we will generate down there

Any Poker Pubs Our guy needs to Hit

Neill

BIG-SLICK-POKER

ianmc38 wrote:

I remember looking at the dealers constantly as they were raking ridiculous amounts from my pots in waterford. I had to shower immediately afterwards.

Rake is standard - feel as if u should clarify wat u saw as our dealers are under a strict Brief to stick to the rake stated I can say from wat we raked for the day with 5 cash tables you are way off the mark with this statement ... Perhaps we call in the Civil Service to run the event and the Army to Ration Rice and Water .. And get some Dealers on Day Release from Mountjoy If this Suits to cut costs Ian

This is
0-11 no rake
11-22 - €1
22- 33 - €2
33-44 -€3
44-55 -€4
55-250 -€5
250+ -€10


Ps This Thread is trying to get feedback on Reg Fees which i need feedback

Neill K

ianmc38

I think that close to 10% rake from a pot is too much. You dont. We'll agree to disagree. I know several others who played the cash games both in your club and in Waterford who think the rake is outlandish.

carrigeen

Neil,

I think the €20 reg fee is fair enough for a tourny held off site , given the cost of hotel dealers etc cant argue with it. I suppose the problem is that it does take away +ev when your starting that far behind. For tournys outside the pale though I think its reasonable enough.

p

BIG-SLICK-POKER

ianmc38 wrote:

I think that close to 10% rake from a pot is too much. You dont. We'll agree to disagree. I know several others who played the cash games both in your club and in Waterford who think the rake is outlandish.

The Rake is stated - Your option is clear Ian - I cannot be any clearer on this matter I feel .. This my 4th time with u on our rakes and u still bring it up as i said the rake is stated we cannot be any clearer on thisand if u dont like it im sorry but it will not change ..
You challenged it before with me and yet u still sat down and played the cash games and then u gave out again .. We dont force u to play
We have Created one of the most friendliest player friendly clubs and Tours around ..

The Rake eases as the pots get bigger so i really dont see ur point .. As the clubs are card rooms not Casinos there is a big difference on Club Cost to Clubs in Dublin which u never seem to put into perspective .. The Clubs only survive from Cash Table Rakes so i feel this rake is very good considering this fact . You make it out as if we are tearing our customers pockets out
There is no rake on a four handed table . We introduced hourly rakes and they did not like it so what more can i do


Neill

poorbarman

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

Advertising going up saturday bud ...Tralee is A Freezeout Banners and posters and papers ... Dont know wat type of numbers we will generate down there

Any Poker Pubs Our guy needs to Hit

Neill

austin stacks club in tralee play friday nites they would have 40 to 50 nightly

BIG-SLICK-POKER

carrigeen wrote:

Neil,

I think the €20 reg fee is fair enough for a tourny held off site , given the cost of hotel dealers etc cant argue with it. I suppose the problem is that it does take away +ev when your starting that far behind. For tournys outside the pale though I think its reasonable enough.

p

Problem is Pat they see CelticPokerTour charging €10 Reg but it is self dealt and they question it then why we are so expensive .. Some people just dont understand .. And celtic then pay out 90% so they are the same without dealers ...

Neill

Killme00

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

Rake is standard -

0-11 no rake
11-22 - €1
22- 33 - €2
33-44 -€3
44-55 -€4
55-250 -€5
250+ -€10

Is this standard...im asking because i dont know not to be smart

BIG-SLICK-POKER

poorbarman wrote:

austin stacks club in tralee play friday nites they would have 40 to 50 nightly

Wats that a pub or wat .. If u are playin there let me know u mite do some plagging for me mate .... Ill Try get in contact and give away a ticket to the winner the following week

Neill
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TheRock

I think this topic of reg fees was agrued on here before by Connie and a few more.

Neill, I think a lot of people completely under estimate the cost of running a hotel tournament.

I dont have an issue with paying the reg as long as I'm happy with the running of the tournament. If I'm not happy, then I wont play simple as that.
But there are a lot of other things that I put ahead of the rake, attitude of people running the event (have been put off here before), organisation, dealers, venue etc. People will and should vote with thier feet.

A lot of people just like a whinge and a bitch, as long as they keep coming back.

Wouldn't mind a few goujons for me 20 euro though;)

ianmc38

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

The Rake is stated - Your option is clear Ian - I cannot be any clearer on this matter I feel .. This my 4th time with u on our rakes and u still bring it up as i said the rake is stated we cannot be any clearer on thisand if u dont like it im sorry but it will not change ..
You challenged it before with me and yet u still sat down and played the cash games and then u gave out again .. We dont force u to play
We have Created one of the most friendliest player friendly clubs and Tours around ..

The Rake eases as the pots get bigger so i really dont see ur point .. As the clubs are card rooms not Casinos there is a big difference on Club Cost to Clubs in Dublin which u never seem to put into perspective .. The Clubs only survive from Cash Table Rakes so i feel this rake is very good considering this fact . You make it out as if we are tearing our customers pockets out
There is no rake on a four handed table . We introduced hourly rakes and they did not like it so what more can i do


Neill

I'd be interested to see the average nights profits taken from the cash tables. If the rake had been 20% i'd still have played. That doesn't take away my right to voice my opinion on the matter. As a semi-serious poker player I think the rake is too much. That's my opinion and one that is shared by other players and some organisers. Case closed.

Regrading your OP, I think €20 is fine once it's advertised. Your event in Waterford was really well run and if the standard of organisation is as good, I think the reg fee is fine given your overheads. I agree with noel though that the price you're paying for your food is way too much.

Now, give me my pockets back!

carrigeen

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote:

Problem is Pat they see CelticPokerTour charging €10 Reg but it is self dealt and they question it then why we are so expensive .. Some people just dont understand .. And celtic then pay out 90% so they are the same without dealers ...

Neill

I agree. they had a tourny in sligo last weekend with first prize as a car second 5k etc and from my calculations last night (was talking to the car winner) I reckon they paid out 80% max hard to calculate with top ups re buys but at max 80%. The thing that amazes me is the numbers they get had close to 200 at that. I wouldnt cross the road for a self deal and much rather the professionlism of yours pokerevents and gjp and would pay the €20fee everyday. I was trying to explain this to players i would respect and it really didnt seem to bother them :rolleyes: they seemed to feel the standard was so low that it was still ok

Still they have taped some market when they can get 200 and a recent one run by pokerireland in Sligo got what 20ish . I'm amazed but I actually have a grudging respect for them as they seem to be able to screw people and get away with it (now dont everyone jump down my throat i have never played one and never will but it does amuse me how sucessful they are)

BIG-SLICK-POKER

carrigeen wrote:

I agree. they had a tourny in sligo last weekend with first prize as a car second 5k etc and from my calculations last night (was talking to the car winner) I reckon they paid out 80% max hard to calculate with top ups re buys but at max 80%. The thing that amazes me is the numbers they get had close to 200 at that. I wouldnt cross the road for a self deal and much rather the professionlism of yours pokerevents and gjp and would pay the €20fee everyday. I was trying to explain this to players i would respect and it really didnt seem to bother them :rolleyes: they seemed to feel the standard was so low that it was still ok

Still they have taped some market when they can get 200 and a recent one run by pokerireland in Sligo got what 20ish . I'm amazed but I actually have a grudging respect for them as they seem to be able to screw people and get away with it (now dont everyone jump down my throat i have never played one and never will but it does amuse me how sucessful they are)

Not knocking them either Pat , Just in Case in this industry u need to work with not against

Neill

Samba

STT`s

The starting stack was 5k with 100-200 blinds, for a 100 buck+10 STT that`s just shambolic sorry.....to top that off 12 minute blinds...

when i questioned this I told was oh yeah they have to make money and get the game over with quick looking around there were a good ten tables not in use....

if thats the structure you are going to continue with you may aswell run a bingo side game

mdwexford

Samba wrote:

STT`s

The starting stack was 5k with 100-200 blinds, for a 100 buck+10 STT that`s just shambolic sorry.....to top that off 12 minute blinds...

when i questioned this I told was oh yeah they have to make money and get the game over with quick looking around there were a good ten tables not in use....

if thats the structure you are going to continue with you may aswell run a bingo side game

it was much the same at the IPC as far as i can remember, live SnG are terrible.

as regards the 20% reg its fine for a 100 game imo

BIG-SLICK-POKER

Samba wrote:

STT`s

The starting stack was 5k with 100-200 blinds, for a 100 buck+10 STT that`s just shambolic sorry.....to top that off 12 minute blinds...

when i questioned this I told was oh yeah they have to make money and get the game over with quick looking around there were a good ten tables not in use....

if thats the structure you are going to continue with you may aswell run a bingo side game

I agree with u on this , We usually do not run Stts so mistake was made , But this looks a bit strange .. Ill standardise the Stts for next event - Blinds should have been 25-50 starting .. Ill make a note on that thanks .. Did not see the stt ..As far as i know only one Stt took place ... Now i know why ...Floor manager made this decision ... Definately different for next event ... I think 15 mins is ok for a Stt

U would get more play in Bingo at the rate that was

7k startin stack 15 min blinds Blinds 25-50 will be new standard format for 100 game

8k 18 min for €200

10k 20 min for €500

Sorry about that samba..Thanks for feedback

Appreciated as i would not have seen this without or been able to change it

Neill K

BIG-SLICK-POKER

TheRock wrote:

I think this topic of reg fees was agrued on here before by Connie and a few more.

Neill, I think a lot of people completely under estimate the cost of running a hotel tournament.

I dont have an issue with paying the reg as long as I'm happy with the running of the tournament. If I'm not happy, then I wont play simple as that.
But there are a lot of other things that I put ahead of the rake, attitude of people running the event (have been put off here before), organisation, dealers, venue etc. People will and should vote with thier feet.

A lot of people just like a whinge and a bitch, as long as they keep coming back.

Wouldn't mind a few goujons for me 20 euro though;)

We cant Budget Goujons , Nicky eats em all and causes war Alan ... Agreed Attitude is a big one i understand ur point on that mate from before ... But it only seems we get problems in our own Home Town From everyone who knows better then the Tournament organisers . I hope our standards are good Alan as we have have improved some what from when we only had one table and no dealers ... We do try and keep the customers happy ...Maybe we look at cutting out food ?? Wat u think bud

bohsman

You really need to squeeze the hotels, especially ones you use regularly, if you have a monthly game in one you shouldnt be paying a penny for food or room hire.

On the €20 reg I personally wouldnt play it but then Im perfectly happy online and if I do want a live tournament I play in the Fitz or bigger tournaments around the country.

BIG-SLICK-POKER

bohsman wrote:

You really need to squeeze the hotels, especially ones you use regularly, if you have a monthly game in one you shouldnt be paying a penny for food or room hire.

On the €20 reg I personally wouldnt play it but then Im perfectly happy online and if I do want a live tournament I play in the Fitz or bigger tournaments around the country.

They dont Budge Believe me .......They only get more expensive every year

Neill

RasTa

I'm taking it that the high game raked is capped at a tenner?
You need to fix your website! Which i can do for a low low price.

BIG-SLICK-POKER

RasTa wrote:

I'm taking it that the high game raked is capped at a tenner?
You need to fix your website! Which i can do for a low low price.

Boyles Re designing it mate but if they hold me up much longer ill get back to u ......pm me ur contact details


Neill -

Macspower

Hi Neil,
Congrats on your recent tourneys. You seem to be doing the right things and are very clear about your reg etc. I thik 20 is fine if you are clear about it. Since when did CPT start paying out 90%... big improvement for them if they have.

As regards rake.. I would be delighted for you to correct me here ( I play in Dublin 5 nights a week but your closer)... I played in your carlow club a few times and found the rake to be excessive. When I asked about it I was told by the dealers and the other players that it was correct so I didn't argue. I kept an eye on it and it definately was excessive to me. I won a 100+ pot and it was raked for €15 (and that is fact not hearsay like a lot of reports I hear) for me that was excessive and I left the club never to return again.

I don't like giving you bad press on a public forum but the issue was raised.....

Mac

BIG-SLICK-POKER

Macspower wrote:

Hi Neil,
Congrats on your recent tourneys. You seem to be doing the right things and are very clear about your reg etc. I thik 20 is fine if you are clear about it. Since when did CPT start paying out 90%... big improvement for them if they have.

As regards rake.. I would be delighted for you to correct me here ( I play in Dublin 5 nights a week but your closer)... I played in your carlow club a few times and found the rake to be excessive. When I asked about it I was told by the dealers and the other players that it was correct so I didn't argue. I kept an eye on it and it definately was excessive to me. I won a 100+ pot and it was raked for €15 (and that is fact not hearsay like a lot of reports I hear) for me that was excessive and I left the club never to return again.

I don't like giving you bad press on a public forum but the issue was raised.....

Mac

Should Never be over €10 .. So u are right to complain .. Again all i can do is better the clubs and tour but that aint right bud so apologies .. Ill look into it with the manager ...
Thanks for the feedback Mac or i would never know .....


Neill

connie147

Hi Neil,
Ive played in a good few of your tournaments and I've nothing but positive things to say about my experiences. My views on reg. have been aired here on boards before, but im not afraid to air them again.

If we were to stick rigidly to a 10% reg fee for tournaments, the only tournaments taking place then would only be in casinos.And who wants that? That would only suit city folk who have many choices where to play. Its obvious from the costs you have laiid out for all to see that tournaments like yours need that €20 reg fee just to survive. (to keep everyone happy, you should make it a 200€ tourney with a €20 reg fee, but your punters might not be willing to pay that much of an entry fee.

Really, Neil, your never going to make everyone happy. No matter what you do youll always get whingers. The only other thing I can think of that might get rid of the problem your having is to have a €100 entry fee with €10 reg and allow one rebuy OR top-up at 100€ + €10 reg. It'l build a better prize pool and youll have your €20 reg fee.

Food for thought maybe!