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Bioethanol storage at home

  • 28-02-2007 12:23pm
    #1
    conleth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭


    Hi, hope this question isn't a bit daft but I've searched the net and can't get any info on this.

    Anyway, I need to buy a car and would like to get a flexifuel car or convert a second hand car. I'd have preferred to go for a petrol car and convert so it can take bioethanol but there are no maxol E85 service stations in my area. Does anyone know if it's possible to buy in bulk and store in a tank in my garage?

    Thanks.


Comments

  • #2
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Is it even legal to have domestic storage of petrol or equivalent fuel?

    Mike.


  • #3
    conleth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭conleth


    Good question, I have no idea for petrol although would wonder about safety. Famers would store agricultural diesel and Eilish Oils sell pure plant oil for diesel engines in 1000 litre containers (at least according to their website, http://www.eilishoils.com/)


  • #4
    gibo_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭gibo_ie


    There are no legal requirements about storing petrol domestically as long as it is in an approved storage tank. Example would be your home heating oil/gas etc.... (for bulk tanks and not mains gas obviously). Most of my neighbours at home would have their own tanks.
    M


  • #5
    gonk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 144 ✭✭gonk


    gibo_ie wrote:
    There are no legal requirements about storing petrol domestically as long as it is in an approved storage tank.

    There most certainly are!

    DANGEROUS SUBSTANCES (RETAIL AND PRIVATE PETROLEUM STORES) REGULATIONS, 1979.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZSI311Y1979.html#ZZSI311Y1979A63

    Bulk petrol or bio-ethanol is an entirely different proposition to bulk diesel or heating oil. It is far more dangerous and requires very careful handling.

    To answer the OP's question:
    conleth wrote:
    Does anyone know if it's possible to buy in bulk and store in tank in my garage?

    You can store at most 20 litres and that can only be in containers of no more than 10 litres capacity. You might well breach the terms of your household insurance by storing bio-ethanol in bulk too.


  • #6
    conleth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭conleth


    Thanks for the info. Would sound like pure plant oil and a converted diesel engine would be the way to go, but again supply is an issue. Anybody know of a supply around Donegal? Or any general advice on how to move to an eco-car?


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  • #7
    Lazairus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭Lazairus


    i think if you look up sei Ireland there is donegal farm coop that supply ppo , look up the company's that got unsubsidized by the government there are 5 company's , that receive grants . eilish oils is one , but there in wicklow but im sure that there is one in donegal , Google it


  • #8
    Lazairus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭Lazairus


    Elsbett do conversion kits for 790 euro on all diesel cars , look web page , and then decide on 1 tank or 2 tank solution 2 tank = small diesel , + switch for + Pure Plant oils tank . takes four weeks delivery for conversion kit , install it , and
    away u go to source fuel in donegal !!!, laz


  • #9
    Mucco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭Mucco


    Ethanol is nowhere near as flammable as petrol, though more so than home heating oil, I'd say.

    On the subject of ethanol, does anyone have any figures on the actual saving of CO2, if any? I'm thinking of fertiliser from natural gas, refining (distillation, high energy use), transport etc... The oil industry is very efficient compared to these start-ups, so I'm not convinced any CO2 is being saved.

    M


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